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Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:44 pm
by sebastiansek
Hi

I have quiet simply question :)

Unfortunetly I cannot check propely subbass in the track and I know how important it is in the club.


Can I actually use spectrum to figure out this and then apply EQ.


Thanksx

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:18 am
by Todd OMG
sebastiansek wrote:Hi

I have quiet simply question :)

Unfortunetly I cannot check propely subbass in the track and I know how important it is in the club.


Can I actually use spectrum to figure out this and then apply EQ.


Thanksx
put an eq3, turn bass to 60hz, uncheck the mid and high range so only the bass is playing. then solo your bass and kick tracks, you should still be able to see the master fader jump whenever the kick hits. if you can't, you have a problem. simple!

you can all thank me later.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:25 am
by sebastiansek
thanks !!!!!

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:47 am
by sebastiansek
Thanks Todd, I have checked .... sounds quiet cool.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:41 am
by muckleberryblim
A/B comparisons with well leveled tracks can help a lot, even if it spectrograms instead of audiable sound.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:20 pm
by re.mark
Alternatively, in Live 7 and newer just load a 'Spectrum' onto the master and an EQ before it. View the spectrum and tweak the EQ to suit.
Still need to use your ears more than a graph though.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:16 pm
by Zygi
never use eq3 for this, it colours the sound

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:23 pm
by bandito3
Zygi wrote:never use eq3 for this, it colours the sound
Could you explain this, please. what do you mean by, "'colors' the sound?"

I use eq3 quite often and now I'm afraid I've been "degrading" the original sound...

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:28 am
by Zygi
bandito3 wrote:
Zygi wrote:never use eq3 for this, it colours the sound
Could you explain this, please. what do you mean by, "'colors' the sound?"

I use eq3 quite often and now I'm afraid I've been "degrading" the original sound...
rtfm plz... everything is there, you just need to open it. You're not "degrading" - coloring rather means "changing a lil bit". But it's there in the manual, and if you can't hear the difference between eq3 on with default settings on, and a "clean" sound, you should probably consider buying better monitors or changing the hobby to smthg else! :mrgreen:

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:47 pm
by rockspin
Could you explain this, please. what do you mean by, "'colors' the sound?"

I use eq3 quite often and now I'm afraid I've been "degrading" the original sound...
rtfm plz... everything is there, you just need to open it. You're not "degrading" - coloring rather means "changing a lil bit". But it's there in the manual, and if you can't hear the difference between eq3 on with default settings on, and a "clean" sound, you should probably consider buying better monitors or changing the hobby to smthg else! :mrgreen:

give some real advice except "read the fucking manual." thats why we're here.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:49 pm
by re.mark
EQ3's coloration of sound has been covered here many many times, so pardon those who's initial insticts would be to say RTFM as its become such a repeated topic.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=133692


Having said that, the explaination is made quick simply and logicially in 3 sentances in the manual so there really isnt any excuse for not being aware.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:24 pm
by bandito3
Zygi wrote:
bandito3 wrote:
Zygi wrote:never use eq3 for this, it colours the sound
Could you explain this, please. what do you mean by, "'colors' the sound?"

I use eq3 quite often and now I'm afraid I've been "degrading" the original sound...
rtfm plz... everything is there, you just need to open it. You're not "degrading" - coloring rather means "changing a lil bit". But it's there in the manual, and if you can't hear the difference between eq3 on with default settings on, and a "clean" sound, you should probably consider buying better monitors or changing the hobby to smthg else! :mrgreen:
I've always noticed a slight difference in sound, but I was unaware it actually did change/color the sound. Thanks for the help though - and I'll stick to this hobby, obviously I'm always learning and I love it. Thanks, man.

Also, you seem to really know what you're doing in regards to production are there any site/books/forums you recommend for production type stuff. I visited the site in your signature and was impressed by the amount of professional sounding work that was available. So, yeah and help would be awesome.

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:10 pm
by buzby
I visited the site in your signature and was impressed by the amount of professional sounding work that was available. So, yeah and help would be awesome.
which site is this - i cant see it in the signature

thanks

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:43 pm
by Zygi
I guess he meant Re.mark's site as I don't have one in my sig ;)

Re: Sub Bass in Ableton Live

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:54 am
by bandito3
re.mark wrote:EQ3's coloration of sound has been covered here many many times, so pardon those who's initial insticts would be to say RTFM as its become such a repeated topic.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=133692


Having said that, the explaination is made quick simply and logicially in 3 sentances in the manual so there really isnt any excuse for not being aware.
woopsies... yeah, the above posts were directed at you, re.mark.

Sorry for the confusion. Either way the question is open to anyone.