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Dude seriously I just got 8 and it took me so long to figure out how to warp in it. And now Though its ganna take a lot more time to warp for like big DJ sets I know it will be more on point...but seriously I was getting like really mad, I wanted to return live and curse the company for changing there ways but now that I get it im like OHHHHHHHH Ok now i see what your going for.


Anyone else have any hair pulling issues that they figured out over time?

Hell yeah bro, HELL YEAH!

for a while I aint even know what warping was and one day I'm playing an old super mario game and it finally hit me, just as Mario would use the wrap pipes to go from one level to anther Ableton use warp markers to move the rhythm from point to another

the one thing I learned from snowboarding.
if you're not falling you're not learning.

I still don't like it better than version <=7

I'm sure one day it will click.

Tone Deft wrote:the one thing I learned from snowboarding.
if you're not falling you're not learning.

This is the best thing I've read all day.

Here is a great tutorial:

http://www.medwaystudios.com/Ableton-8- ... orial.html

Big ups kb240 for the link...been struggles with my leap from ableton 5.2.2 warping to ableton 8...great tricks to do the old skool ways...thanks!

I wish it were possible to warp the time grid and keep the sample sounding the same. This last sentence may sound like a joke, but it's not.

Imagine someone playing music in a way that is very free with timing. The beats are there, but the amount of time between them varies from one to the next.

Obviously, you can go through the music and put warp markers at the beat, and then stretch the music to match a fixed beat. What I'd like to do is keep the music sounding the same, and stretch the grid to fit the music. Any other tracks in my set should warp to conform to the grid, but I want the grid to change to match this one track.

ark wrote:I wish it were possible to warp the time grid and keep the sample sounding the same. This last sentence may sound like a joke, but it's not.

Imagine someone playing music in a way that is very free with timing. The beats are there, but the amount of time between them varies from one to the next.

Obviously, you can go through the music and put warp markers at the beat, and then stretch the music to match a fixed beat. What I'd like to do is keep the music sounding the same, and stretch the grid to fit the music. Any other tracks in my set should warp to conform to the grid, but I want the grid to change to match this one track.

the less amount of markers ..
the more 'loose'/true to the human 'feel' ..
(if I understand what you want to do...)

...another way is to warp every beat to the grid...
then..apply a 'groove'...

I was stuck in the "old" way for ages too. After I got Live 8 it did my head in for about 2 weeks.

Then I had that "oh FUCK yeh" moment.

Now I wouldn't go back, the new warping method is MUCH MUCH MUCH better once you get your head around it.

i never understood the old warping method so when live 8 came out i was like finally warping that makes sense!!!!!!! this was the warping i always wanted

ark wrote:Any other tracks in my set should warp to conform to the grid, but I want the grid to change to match this one track.

just choose your start point in the "master" track and the last beat to give the entire track at least a loose basis around the master tempo

then extract the groove from that and apply it to all the other tracks that play with it, it should put that same tempo sway/groove and everything should sync up

zalo wrote:then extract the groove from that and apply it to all the other tracks that play with it, it should put that same tempo sway/groove and everything should sync up

I should give that a try -- but from what I understand how the groove stuff works, I am not sure it will work.

How I think grooves work is that each note in the track to which you apply the grove gets moved toward the nearest note in the groove. So if I apply a groove that contains only quarter notes to a track that contains 16th notes, it won't work right.

I'll have more to say after I've done some experiments.

OK, here's why I don't think grooves will solve my problem.

A simple example. Create two MIDI tracks, each one 1 bar long. On the first one, put a drum beat, say a snare, at each quarter note. There will be four beats in the clip. Turn off the MIDI grid and move the third one of those beats to come a little late.

Now drag that clip into the groove pool to make it a groove.

On the second clip, put a beat, say a high-hat, at each eighth note. So there will be 8 beats in the bar. Now take the groove you made and drag it on top of this second clip.

What happens when I do it is that of the 8 beats in the clip, the 7th one gets its start time moved and the others do not change at all. What I want to be able to do is stretch the entire MIDI grid so that the two notes surrounding the one that the groove changed move slightly as well.

since we were talking about warping i was assuming we were dealing with a audio file and not a midi file

when extracting a groove from an audio file it will pull the timing of ever transient that it detects

example, find a flowing groovy jazz drum loop and extract the groove from that, now throw that on your midi files and watch it move everything around

those midi clips should now play along with that drum loop very nicely