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So i have been using ableton (non-suite) for edm production for over a year (friend does my mixdowns in pro tools).
Love the daw in and out. I have alot of friends that suggested i go outside of live for basic due dilligence comparisons. Being a Mac Fanboy i went with Logic 9. I Love the sounds in general, for 500 bucks you cant get a better package.

Here is my question and rants,

I love lives format i really just want logic for the audio units and sound banks (have all the sound banks 50gig install)

How is the rewire function?

Am I better off creating sounds in logic and just bouncing them out as a wav and using it as audio in live?

I would love to hear peoples workflow using ableton and logic....

Tom

rewire works pretty good.. even sounds better than having i running in live on its own.. but..

what i like with live.. quickly recording a loop.. thats gone than... ther is also no acces from control surfaces to live.. so all your controler assignements are lost.. so another main feature of live is not accesible...

so rewire wors buts no fun... the second part of that..the lack of controler support is abletons mean doing..the first is the nature of rewire..


best imo would be to timecode sync on the same machine between 2 independent istances...
ther is an undocumented way to stop live from beeing a rewire slave all the time.. but.. live dont likes to be a propper timecoe slave...

so thats not working either..

best is actually to decide for one daw..

The big limitation of Live in rewire mode is that you can't use any third-party plug-ins in Live when it is a rewire slave.

another glitch concerning rewire mode is that Live understands neither its own tempo map nor Logic's tempo map in rewire mode. This means that if you have a bar of 3/4 in the Logic project somewhere, when playback reaches that bar, the entire Live timeline changes and becomes all 3/4 for a single bar, then reverts back. The problem with this is that it's next to impossible to insert anything into the Live arrangement view reliably in such a project, because Live doesn't show you the proper bar positions.

For songs that are all 4/4, this problem doesn't come up.

-Luddy

good question. i still love both programs equally, but am only starting to find a flow between the 2. my personal way is:

- if i get about half of a track done in live than i do a mix within live and do mastering with logic
- most major midi stuff gets done in live and sometimes imported into logic for sample banks
- often sample sounds (for sound design)or beats get made in live and then dumped into Logic for final mixing along with acoustic or other elements

but thats just me.

i use both, but increasingly stick with ableton.

for precomposed, sound-collage type work, i still use logic - as a timeline-based arranger it's still much more sophisticated and precise than live. also the built-in effects are just amazing (in general the logic versions of built-in effects trump lives; and in particular i would kill to have an ableton-native convolution reverb on par with space designer). at the end of the day it's a more powerful choice for traditional editing/mixing/mastering.

however, for anything involving live interaction (including musical composition/experimentation, performance, improvisation, installation work, generative music, etc), i use live exclusively (i used to also use a lot of max/msp but m4L has tidied things up for me). when it comes down to it, even though i love logic's built-in effects, and even though it's better for editing and arranging, i hardly ever use it these days.

rewire is functional but it kind of cripples the process if you're working spontaneously. in my experience, the best marriage is to use live for all the creation and performance, and then bus it into logic for mixing and mastering the final track. depending on the plugins you use, you might want to bus it in sans effects; other times you're effectively just bouncing into logic and using it for its mix engine, effects, and editing tools.

YMMV though. i'm curious to hear how other people use these apps in tandem.

swishniak wrote:and in particular i would kill to have an ableton-native convolution reverb on par with space designer)

No need to kill - have you seen this? Not Ableton-native but only 30 quid, uses space designer's impulses out of the box


http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=134032