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Hello everyone,

I'm looking for a way to move pitches in a melody and was wondering which plugin is the best for that (while performing), in ableton? Also, I noticed that every clip has a "Frequency" knob that can be used, but only after and while its been recorded and, most importantly... selected!

I think that building a "Frequency" or "Pitch" device with Max for Live would be really simple... But isn't there an Ableton Live device that simply features that (and would save me the $)? I can't find it! Or I can't figure those "Frequency Shift" ones to use them for that purpose...

Is Discord 2 the only way and the cheapest, so far, to shift pitches around, while in performance?

Thanks for the help!

Olivier

i believe grain delay set at very short delay (3ms or less), and the pitch f'd with of course....

Thanks a lot! I just figured out how to use it, and I'm gonna try it!

Besides that, what would be a good harmonizer/pitch shifting VST pluging for Ableton?

Thanks again!

Olivier

http://bram.smartelectronix.com/plugins.php?id=2

http://www.quikquak.com/Prod_Pitchwheel.html

2 other options for you

i second those recommendations:

pitchwheel is probably the best bang for your buck if you're going to purchase a pitch shifter plugin. i did some side-by-side comparison with other pitch shifters, including the basic clip transpose function that is built into live (which is one of the better ones, but unfortunately YOU CAN'T AUTOMATE OR ASSIGN MIDI TO THE DETUNE PARAMTER.. this is a huge gripe of mine). pitchwheel costs 55 GBP which is about $89 i believe. it will give you a fairly continuous control of pitch like the pitch wheel of a keyboard but up to 2 octaves in either direction if you wish or as little as 2 steps.

other free options:

1. in ableton there is a free apple audio unit plugin (if you're using a mac) called "aupitch", which isn't all that great but is ok for certain things.

2. there's also, as you noticed, frequency shifter, which i have found to be more of its own effect rather than a real pitch shifter, so it isn't really suited to most purposes that i would say requires a pitch shifter specifically.

3. a free audio unit plugin called speedster is a pitch and speed effect (you can control either independently). overall quality of pitch shifting is ok.

4. free autio unit plugin called octave shifter 2

5. free vst or autio unit plugin madshifta (already recommended). i like this one, because you can control the degree of pitch shift with a midi keyboard and it's overall sound is kinda glitchy and cool. definitely not what i would call an accurate pitch shifter but one of the most fun to use. props to the inventor.

then there's a bunch that cost a lot of money... dunno about those, because i'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars on a pitch shifter.

You can also change the degree of pitch with a midi keyboard in pitch wheel

whoa! didn't realize that, actually. thanks for the heads up, homie.

BARSTU meant that we could link the Pitchwheel plugin to a midi controller's Pitch Bend, which is a good reminder, actually, cause I'm looking for "live performance" solutions...

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions! I think I got enough now, to go out and try those new possibilites.

Oh, one last question! Are Eventide and Quadravox working well with Ableton (or at all)?

Thanks a million!

Olivier

Viroshk wrote:BARSTU meant that we could link the Pitchwheel plugin to a midi controller's Pitch Bend, which is a good reminder, actually, cause I'm looking for "live performance" solutions...

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions! I think I got enough now, to go out and try those new possibilites.

Oh, one last question! Are Eventide and Quadravox working well with Ableton (or at all)?

Thanks a million!

Olivier

No i meant using keys, it's been a while since i did it but i'm sure i was routing a midi channels out to the pitch wheels in, that was on another audio channel.

You're looking for this:

Spectre Gadget. You can pitch shift anything without changing the timing
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=895

I can also recommend the Native Instruments option.
I was looking for a solution for this problem, till I realised that Guitar Rig comes with a pitch pedal effect.
You can use it in combination with the Splitter Tool in Guitar Rig to produce a good clean harmonizer effect.
It works in real time too...

What I found out that was a different way to make the pitch change is convert your midi clip to a wave file and drag it into an audio track. Then change the tranpose knob. Sometimes it doesn't always sound good but I have used it on a bass and vocals mainly...

http://www.meldaproduction.com/mcreativ ... onizer.php

is worth a demo

Hi All I was fighting this same problem when I wanted to build my live set session.

I wanted to have a group of drums - Kicks snares HH etc separately and to control their pitch all at once.

After a few hour of thinking and searching I found out (by myself in the end) that I can put all my samples of drums to Sampler (each channel sampler with different samples) - I also used zones to be able change samples quickly.
Than I search for pitch control in Sampler. Maped it to rack in each channel in the group.
And here is the MAIN PART - I found Envelope follower in Max for Live Audio effect - There I selected desired effect (pitch control) in the drop down windows and maped the Min value to macro knob (because changing this value effected the pitch in sampler). Than I duplicated this E follower to chain list to affect all the channels and made sure that other instances of this chain are muted (otherwise the audio is duplicated or more).
It is working just fine with no delays and it is CPU friendly.

Hope I helped

Vojtekk

Live offers a simple solution: Midi sidechain an audio shifter.

Situation: in a live setting, how to accurately (and easily) shift/pitch-bend audio with minimum latency/artifacts (common problem with shifting VSTs and M4L)?

1) affect the audio effect "shifter" to the audio track(s) you want to pitch shift.
2) add a midi track, set the input to the controller you'll use later for shifting. You don't have to affect an instrument to this midi track.
3) unfold the shifter (triangle button on the left), click on midi and choose that new midi track to sidechain your shifter, adjust your pitch bend (I like to set it to 12 st).
4) Note that 0 st will correspond to C3 on your controller -not necessarily a midi keyboard- so maybe you'd like to transpose your audio beforehand to avoid confusion, but it's up to you.
5) finally adjust the window of the shifter to get a better accuracy, depending on what you're shifting (Default is 80 ms, I found 65 ms better for basslines).

Much easier than creating an audio effect rack with chain selector whose solo buttons you won't be able to midi map.