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hey this may have been here before but it's blowing my mind at the minute so i thought i'd share..

1. work out key of your song

2. open operator and have it set to pure sine tone.

3. using this chart

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

work out frequency of the key of your song.

4. set the sine wave in operator at a fixed frequency to this (a low octave whichever is nearest around 80 to 100ish is perfect)

5. place a gate on operator channel.

6. have the kick drum of your track trigger the gate on your operator channel.

7. BOOOOOM

it's so beautiful.. give it a try, BIG BIG kick

also works so well if you sidechain bass off the kick..

hope you like and if you've heard before, well you know how good it is!!

why wouldnt you just put a sine wave synth in the drum rack with your kick then set the output note to the key of your song (in the 0 or 1 octave) and then turn down the LPF so only the sub bass goes through?

the gate method seems like a lot of work/cpu for just adding sub bass to a kick, plus wouldnt you want to put a HPF on the kick so that it doesnt muddy the sine?

also adding decay/release would add to the "punchiness" of the sub, maybe a resonator would make it sound cool too, or maybe adding mda's sub bass synthesizer

Or just have the EQ/filter resonate at the specific freq.

yeah this would probably be easier and quicker.. but it's not the destination that's fun sometimes it's the journey there

whatever works for you i suppose, put it this way, i wasn't sticking sine waves under my kicks until last week and i'm glad it works! and sounds FAT..

my workflow is so fucked up sometimes, takes me some weird roundabout way of doing stuff that would probably take someone else about 5mins...

jape wrote:hey this may have been here before but it's blowing my mind at the minute so i thought i'd share..

1. work out key of your song

2. open operator and have it set to pure sine tone.

3. using this chart

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

work out frequency of the key of your song.

4. set the sine wave in operator at a fixed frequency to this (a low octave whichever is nearest around 80 to 100ish is perfect)

5. place a gate on operator channel.

6. have the kick drum of your track trigger the gate on your operator channel.

7. BOOOOOM

it's so beautiful.. give it a try, BIG BIG kick

also works so well if you sidechain bass off the kick..

hope you like and if you've heard before, well you know how good it is!!

dope trick man.. thanks a lot

wont this interfere with an existing bassline tho?.. duck the kicksub to the bassline? (won't that make it disappear if the bassline is continuous) how to resolve this?

btw you know any nice beats that uses this technique? like some dilla or madlib stuff or something?

abletony84 wrote: wont this interfere with an existing bassline tho?.. duck the kicksub to the bassline? (won't that make it disappear if the bassline is continuous) how to resolve this?

by only ducking the low frequencies of the bassline?

simple way: create an effect rack with two channels, put eq3 on both, and mute mid and high on one, low on the other (be aware eq3 is not transparent. there are options for that, though. it's a bit more complicated, check "smart mixing" for some rack-setups showing it).

then put the compressor on the one channel which is low-pass only, and set up sidechaining for it.

that's the automatic (and if you use a transparent band-splitting solution absolutely non-hearable) solution.

i mostly drop an eq3 on it, and automate the low to go down to infinite on kick, and then upwards again. does only work for straight 4/4 kicks, but very well there.



some food for thoughts