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At the moment I'm chopping a sample into small pieces and copy/paste them in the arrangement view... which is very slow and inefficient for getting those glitchy sounds.

Is there a way to automate that process, so I could draw a line for sample offset and sample length in the arrangement view or map those parameters to a controller? There must be a smarter way to work with samples, chopping them up etc. for your production...

Please tell me how do you work with your samples!

Cheers

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How do you do this? I guess you don't use cut/copy/paste in arrangement view exclusively for that, do you?

#1thelark wrote:There must be a smarter way to work with samples, chopping them up etc. for your production...

have you tried Renoise ?

Slice to MIDI, rearrange MIDI, resample back to audio.

Lather, rinse, repeat. Make your own slice presets for great justice.

CMD + C > CMD + V

step one: write a drum beat melody line
step two: Apply DBglitch, beat repeat or other such vst
step three: let it play and record the output
step four: slice up the output recording
step five: wack random keys till it sounds good
step six: sample some vinyl or other crackly sounds
step seven: Apply DBglitch beat repeat or other such vst
step eight: let it play and record the output
step nine : wack random keys till it sounds good
step ten: don't quantize if you want it to sound organic, do quantize if you want it to sound machinelike

BYE!

Nope. Haven't tried renoise. Can you use it as a VST within Live?
I was looking for Live-workflows... I think Maschine can cut samples automatically as well... but I think the audio/midi drop to Live doesn't work yet with the beta 1.5.

1. you can midi assign the clip loop position and end points. set a looping clip playing and have at. iirc it helps to turn off the clip's quantization and in preferences lower the clip update rate to its lowest setting.

2. slice to midi and use an arpeggiator. adjusting the arp's repeat rate = instant glitch. also, you can assign a macro knob to control the pitch of all of the slices and move the knob around for yet more pitched/glitch chaos.

3. beat repeat.

i still do the copy/paste/paste/paste/paste method all the time though.

#1thelark wrote:Nope. Haven't tried renoise. Can you use it as a VST within Live?

you can rewire it into live.
it's what all the wicked breakcore/glitch producers use, precisely because it's:

#1thelark wrote:a smarter way to work with samples, chopping them up etc.

Thanks for the input!

I just watched this crazy frenchman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emvqsKsMNso

Looks like fun, but I hoped you would come up with some cool Live 8 secrets that really work (compared to what I came up with so far = automation lines for sample start =no worky; streching sample position to Launchpad rows=no worky?)

I will check out the other Live tips later on - but maybe you have any kind of smart workaround for my ideas... keep those ideas coming!

#1thelark wrote:Thanks for the input!

I just watched this crazy frenchman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emvqsKsMNso

Looks like fun, but I hoped you would come up with some cool Live 8 secrets that really work (compared to what I came up with so far = automation lines for sample start =no worky; streching sample position to Launchpad rows=no worky?)

I will check out the other Live tips later on - but maybe you have any kind of smart workaround for my ideas... keep those ideas coming!

First make sure your sample is on loop in Simpler or Sampler. Use envelopes to automate your sample length.

Not sure what kind of miracle you were hoping somebody to post.... The Slice to midi function is about the quickest there is without cheating.

Right click on an audio clip in session view, select slice to midi, select a template, and other settings, it then chops up your audio into as many pieces as you defined in the settings/template and assigns each piece to a midi note.

You can then move, and duplicate/delete the notes in the midi clip editor in realtime as you play it, until you get exactly the repeats, and re-arrangement you want. It also assigns each piece to it's own track, so you could add different effects to each slice.

Then just resample the result to a new audio clip when you're done.

I really don't see the point of trying to manually micromanage all your glitches when there are plenty of plug-in options that will do the heavy lifting for you. The whole premise of glitch is happy mistakes.

I agree with recording the random results of these plugs and then scavenging the treasures from those recordings.

^^^ I don't agree with this.

Do you listen to much music of this nature ?

I do, and it's quite evident when the compositional effort is put in as opposed to when it's just a cut-up of random glitchy-vst renderings. Certainly, if you're going to take the random approach you'll need to put some effort & luck into the arrangement to make it sound engaging.

dum wrote:^^^ I don't agree with this.

Do you listen to much music of this nature ?

I do, and it's quite evident when the compositional effort is put in as opposed to when it's just a cut-up of random glitchy-vst renderings. Certainly, if you're going to take the random approach you'll need to put some effort & luck into the arrangement to make it sound engaging.

Gotta agree on that, those guys don't mess around, it's composition for the most part.