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how would you feel if this was your child, and everyday realityhttp://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

Oh shit dude that web page is making me cry (yes seriously) ....
Humanity is so fukked up
"And i think to myself ..... what a wonderful world"
Man what the hell was Louis Armstrong smokin'

im sorry i had to post such a link, but its a snapshot of reality in this world. it says the words none of us can say. and i wept myself when i saw it, i broke down and cried like a baby.

This one is particularly disturbing. Click at your own risk. http://www.robert-fisk.com/030401AlKindi6.jpg

Man if that's Bush's idea of liberating the Iraqi people, I'd sure hate to what his idea of killing is.

Well, disturbing it is....
Still too late for the "people" to cast ballots differently. Actually Shit kickers-churchgoers-gun owners would dig this stuff.....
Sad and enraging...

BTW: CNN presentation of the election program is... rock and roll!!!
Society of Spectacle here it is...

sorry for double post...

And all in the name of peace. Poor little fuckers, it's just fucking unbelievable that people actually support this as some sort of holy liberation, and that the 'liberated' kids in those pictures should somehow feel grateful.

I was told by my teachers at school (many years ago) that by the millenium, the world would be a technlogically advanced place where warfare suffering, disease and starvation would most likely be reduced or eliminated. The teacher might of been an idealist dreamer (like myself) but it seemed to me to be a reasonable outcome to a surely ultimate human goal. I could never have dreamed in my worst nightmare that I'd be sitting here in 2004 looking at those pictures and wondering why anyone in the western world would vote for someone who thinks this is a way FORWARD.

It's just fucked up, FUCKED UP!

It just makes me think how quick people can forget.
How can millions of people support a man who lied to them?
I need maybe a psychologist to tell me? But then it just shows me another Hitler could happen today (Bush perhaps?) and we have not changed/advanced much as people / humans. Humans can still follow & support evil people and today and here is an example. I thought by now man kind would learn, but then again many have been brainwashed by their leaders. How can it be most of the world hates Bush and would like to see him out of office, but the majority of Americans like & support him?

I really am at the point now where as much as I hate to admit it, I feel like listening to all these people who've been saying get out of this fourm with politics and completely butting out of caring or knowing anything.

I just want to escape now and never hear about any of it again. I feel sick beyond belief at the way its gone and I feel like it's completely hopeless now. I cant see how the world can end up anything but a blood bath.

There was something on telly about dubbya's evangelical beliefs and I realised to my horror that it could actually be possible he's stupid enough to think he's doing the right thing.

Makes it all a bit like the Crusades.

The the guy who said something about Bush not being as bad as Hitler - just remember it's easy to see Hitler as the most evil thing ever with hindsight, but you have to understand that he would have seemed entirely different to the people he governed when he did. One of the things he peddled was a utopian view of how great things would be if the purest Aryan race was the only one - (just like 'Democracy' and it's farcical hipocracy is to Bush) and Hitler was trying to impose what HE believed was a better world on other people whether they wanted it or not. That's what Bush is doing. You cant force people to be democratic, and if you burn and slaughter their children they wont be sympathetic to your grand ideals.

If anyone made my child look like those pictures it would be my lifes purpose to make the aggressor suffer somehow - I think some vague bullshit about WMD isn't going to convince many people it was worth it.

I think we'd better prepare for some very dire consequences - one of which as Usama predicted will probably be a major economic collapse.

End times.

what we are witnessing in america is the use of media to control
the popular opinion- this whole farce of an election has been about
misinformation and surely proves that democracy in america is a thing of the past.(if it ever really was). i personally don't believe at this point that voting is anything more than another trick to make the people believe that
they have a say in the presidential election- there is no way to hold anyone accountable or to witness a real count. let's not forget this electoral college bullshit. it's really over, kids- we're fucked, america is fucked, and it's looking dark down the road.
canada is looking good!

yes, canada is looking good to me too....

previously I had said that americans who disagree with Bush have a duty to stay here and fight this ignorance. however i am not sure it is a winnable fight any more.

but if you think america is bad now, just wait until all the dissidents jump ship.....

I think the laws of Karma will define what will happen to the President and this country. I'm sure something quite extravagant will happen quite soon. It always does.

That just makes me sick. We're witnessing the first large dictator of the 21st century, and he just got re-elected. We're witnessing the birth of the Fourth Reich, the farce that is called Pax Americana, and the majority of the country doesn't give a damn.
Bush managed to terrorize those who weren't already blindly following him down the road to self-destruction into voting for him through fear and intimidation, and now we're stuck with another 4 years of his Crusade against Islam. How long till US Muslims have to wear armbands and can only live in certain areas? I think we'll all see it in our lifetimes, and sooner than we think, I'm sad to say.
And who's going to be the next target? Iran? North Korea? Are we going to be "protecting our citizens" by blowing up another Middle-Eastern nation, or are we going to "bring Canada back into the Reich"?
I never thought that, after the fall of the Iron Curtain, we'd be talking about dissidents, and especially not in the US. But it looks like a lot of us here have that in our blood, and I think a lot of us better get way more active in politics in this country. It's now our responsibility to hold Bush accountable for whatever might happen next.

Bush won more votes than any other president in US history. I think you all are panicing and paranoid. The US has spoken. America needs to reunite now.

this too, will end.

k