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Got a little problem here. I want to be able to transpose all the samples within a drum rack equally. Like -6 + 6. I want to be able to have some kind of way to do it without individual assigning it to every sample each time. What pisses me off mostly, is that I know it is possible... Because if you make a simpler preset, and save it in your default/slicing folder with the transpose mapped to a macro...if you go to SLICE TO MIDI, and use your preset...all the samples within your drum rack sliced have the ability to control the transpose of all of them. Why can I not do this with a DRUM RACK that I save?

I know I could use an audio pitch converter...but I dont want that, I want the transpose. This is really important for improv beat making, to be able to change the transpose on the fly without going down to your mouse.

Any ideas? Am I missing something?

Thanks!

FroBot

I do know that a frequency shift does the trick a little too...but still.

here's how...
Adjust transpose value of any of the Simpler modules in your Drum Rack, then ctrl-click on the transpose field to bring up its contextual menu and select "copy value to siblings". All Simpler instances in the Drum Rack will then have your selected transpose value.

i was going to say: get as many sounds as you can into samplers, as everything within a sampler gets controlled by a single transpose parameter on the pitch tab...

but i'm finding that it is just as much messing around with root keys, etc. to get everything playing correctly

if you don't mind wasting a bunch of HD space for the sake of speed, you could try something like lining up all the samples in the arrangement, and re-slicing to a pre-mapped rack.

you could even have some saved midi clips which play consecutive notes, which you bust out when you need to convert an existing drum rack to the new. i just did that - it's pretty fast. drag, drop, freeze, flatten, [move sections to eliminate blank spots??] , slice

colin301 wrote:here's how...
Adjust transpose value of any of the Simpler modules in your Drum Rack, then ctrl-click on the transpose field to bring up its contextual menu and select "copy value to siblings". All Simpler instances in the Drum Rack will then have your selected transpose value.

yes, but they won't be mapped to a macro, so you have to do this every time you change the value

perhaps a slightly dumber solution, but....

1) insert midi pitch effect in front of the drum rack.
2) group midi pitch with drum rack
3) map transpose to midi pitch effect

You'll get the original drum rack as the first chain inside the 'master' rack, but this is probably the easiest way to do this at least.

It doesn't solve the problem of being able to map a macro knob to similar parameters in all subchains though. That would be a good feature for a later version of live.

The closest thing I am getting is using a frequency shifter and making it move an octave of the frequency spectrum. Not the same, but similiar.

uhh... that's not the same thing. actually you DO want the pitch shifter. pitch and transpose is the same thing.

frequency shifting will not get you to the same place. remember that sound is based in harmonics.
take a square wave, with harmonics of 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 Hz.
pitching it up multiplies all the harmonics - so you'd get harmonics of 2000, 4000, 6000, 8000, 10000 and they'd all be in the same relationship and it would sound the same, just up an octave.

frequency shifting - say you shift it by 1000Hz to get the same octave effect.
the lowest harmonic would do exactly as before - 1000 becomes 2000 Hz.
But frequency shifting is additive - all the frequencies will shift by 1000 Hz.
So you'll get 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 Hz, which will sound shifted up an octave but is a completely new waveform.

I think ableton would have to add it as a feature. There are lots of ways to do it, but you already have even the easiest way
to do it manually, it's just not happening automatically.

(you're right, what i suggested won't work at all. dunno what I was thinking that day

haha. weird that this is the first thread I came about. recently made an amen break preset thing in drum rack, and here's how I did it:

make a macro for them!

1. click map mode in the drum rack thing
2. go to each individual "transpose" for each sound and click it so it's highlighted
3. then click on the macro knob you want them assigned to. now without closing map mode, you just go to the next sample in your rack and assign it to the same macro knob.

now I can set the tempo on all my samples in this drum track with the same macro knob. I also mapped all the detunes on each sample on the second macro knob so I can fine tune it when changing the tempo of the track.

(I think this is what you asked for?)

Well, I am sitting on maybe 20 drum racks FULL (128 Samples per rack). These are just drag and drop into my drum racks, since my trigger finger is mapped to match drum racks in ableton, I just switch a bank preset on the midi controller, and I change though 4x4. It is really good for improv jamming, so I just want to be able to drag and drop them into a chain, and have full control over transpose of ALL the notes. You can do it within simpler, and you can do it from slice to midi function...to a macro (if you make your "slice to midi preset" where the transpose is controlled via a macro) you then have the ability to change ALL transpose just by the assignment of ONE. A macro for ALL. Anyway, just seems lame there isnt some way to do it.

Any other ideas on this as i'm having the same issue - tons of racks with 128 sample in them, i'm not going through each one individually and assigning a macro, life is just too short.

Using frequency is pretty cool though : )

How about using max's pitch thingie. its free download and just trying it out and its quite wonderful. sharp sounds still stay sharp it seems but my TOM goes up and down. and claps sssound wicked when tuned low.

BUT! i want this feature also. and also i want additional page for extra 8 knobs.