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do people actually realease music using pirated software? it's a hard topic but i wanna know your tought about this

well, I have been to a "professional" mastering studio, and the guy was using cracks of most of his software with a smile. I also know about people giving ableton-classes in production-schools and giving away cracks to their students.

The world is full of evil.

I know a few 'famous' people who think nothing of it. I also know people who make no $$ off their music who are 100% legit.

yes
they do

d-track wrote:yes
they do

this

For sure plenty!

yes, they do. and some actually got caught.. and now pay much more

which is why i moved completely away from anything illegal. the moment i might get famous (anyone can dream), the moment people look at you. and if at this moment, you don't have legal licensees, you'll bleed. so i thought, i better get all for real, so it won't be "too late". like for a friend of mine who now pays and pays.. (i bought my stuff before that happened btw..)

in other news, one of the guys on this forum just posted a rapidsharelink on twitter for an ableton live activator.. which i find is quite strange behavior

davepermen wrote:yes, they do.{A} and some actually got caught.. and now pay much more

which is why i moved completely away from anything illegal. the moment i might get famous (anyone can dream), the moment people look at you. and if at this moment, you don't have legal licensees, you'll bleed. so i thought, i better get all for real, so it won't be "too late". like for a friend of mine who now pays and pays.. (i bought my stuff before that happened btw..)

{B} in other news, one of the guys on this forum just posted a rapidsharelink on twitter for an ableton live activator.. which i find is quite strange behavior

please elaborate

Microsoft got caught because their music was done with cracked software:

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11183- ... ID=1765547

dum wrote:please elaborate

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you want names or what? i don't give out names, no need to put them to public shame. one is a friend, and the other one.. lets say twitter has search

davepermen wrote:

dum wrote:please elaborate

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you want names or what? i don't give out names, no need to put them to public shame. one is a friend, and the other one.. lets say twitter has search

I, on the other hand, have no issue with posting names - if they post in public, public shame is what they get, if they feel any to begin with:

http://twitter.com/clarknessmusic

Alan Clark, of Scotland, whose twitter page links back to another site:

http://ableton-live-tutorial.com/

and yeah, Alan, you can kiss my ass.

davepermen wrote:

dum wrote:please elaborate

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i don't give out names

heh, of course. But can you elaborate on what happened in situation {A} without naming people ?
just curious about the circumstances really not the names, other than the waves fiasco I've never really heard much about people getting busted
I'm guessing he is an engineer caught doing paid-for services with unlicensed mastering plugs...? as opposed to a musician releasing his/her own stuff...?

and you say s/he 'paid' but do you mean s/he simply paid for his software, or paid large fines also ?

regarding situation {B} john doe has cleared that one up, heh
...can't say I've ever seen that guy post here

If that's the case some give me some free software, cause I paid for 8.....not sure why if the pro's are out there ripping off software.

dum wrote:

davepermen wrote:

dum wrote:please elaborate

?

i don't give out names

heh, of course. But can you elaborate on what happened in situation {A} without naming people ?
just curious about the circumstances really not the names, other than the waves fiasco I've never really heard much about people getting busted
I'm guessing he is an engineer caught doing paid-for services with unlicensed mastering plugs...? as opposed to a musician releasing his/her own stuff...?

and you say s/he 'paid' but do you mean s/he simply paid for his software, or paid large fines also ?

regarding situation {B} john doe has cleared that one up, heh
...can't say I've ever seen that guy post here

ah okay.. well to {A}:
he used cubase + tons of plugins (the typical illegal solution since years dvd's with tons of vsts.. one was vanguard (or nexus? no i guess vanguard). and it looks like the copy protection of vanguard happened to be better than he thought.. so he got a simple letter: pay that bill or we sue you, we know you have "illegal version blabla". so he had to pay the full vanguard license and such (without actually getting vanguard).

happily for him, they didn't inform the police. imagine all the other plugins and cubase.. he would have been ruined.

he sort of was the inspiration for me that i don't want to have tons of plugins to be able to produce sound. few (no vst so far, just abes plugs), but knowing how to use them is more creative than being able to "chose the appropriate sound out of the palette of star-copycat plugins". sort of.

so vanguard cost him quite much, and he thus removed everything else and now starts shopping for what he really wants, slowly bit by bit costs quite a bit, to get all the plugs he really liked again


to {b}
i'm not sure, but it might be that his account is hacked and abused. but i'm unsure we'll see over time.

http://www.banpiracy.com/local_press_release_2.pdf
http://www.banpiracy.com/CP_TELBAZ_WAVE ... N_DW_2.pdf
http://www.banpiracy.com/CP_TELBAZ_WAVE ... N_DW_2.pdf

Of course they do. Even some bigger named producers and engineers do and they often used go onto torrent websites or hip hop/dnb/producer/insert music genre sites and boast about it. Nowadays almost all such websites actively discourage this on legal grounds and moderate such postings.

For me, 'try before you buy' in your home is one thing, profiting off piracy is another, especially larger sized businesses.

Those people really deserve to be whupped hard upside the head.

We all know it's very hard to make any kind of living/profit in music, but that doesn't make it right to download flaky illegal versions of Waves Mercury and then sell music. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives that can still do an excellent job and there are cheap or free DAWS and plugins which can achieve a heck of a lot and do it legally.