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need to know becuase it's a damn large file

No. If you already have Suite 8 installed, you do not need to download the Suite update. You can download the regular Live update instead.

Best,

thanks Dennis...
change log coming up?

3dot... wrote:change log coming up?

No, our thinking is that they cause more harm than good. To really know if your particular bug is fixed, you need to try it out.

Best,

I always liked the changelogs, they were very open of a developer to share that info. They were always funny too:

"When you turned a midi controller of a certain manufacturer and Live was in maximized or other state, something would happen for a few users. - Fixed."

Tarekith wrote:I always liked the changelogs, they were very open of a developer to share that info. They were always funny too:

"When you turned a midi controller of a certain manufacturer and Live was in maximized or other state, something would happen for a few users. - Fixed."

Indeed, but they were also terrifying and confusing, for exactly that reason.

If a user reads something like that, they wonder if it could have been happening for them. Particularly, we were concerned about things like:

"In certain situations, Live could crash when dragging a clip."

This is horrible to read, because it sounds like something was really wrong. But in fact, those "certain situations" were incredibly specific hypothetical test cases that no normal user would EVER come across.

The only other solution would have been to write multi-page technical explanations of every fix - which still wouldn't have helped most users.

So, for now, we've decided to not post anything.

Best,

Ok, sounds reasonable. (I was always interested in these, too)

I don't blame em... you sit down write a __ page document and then get railed on your own forum by a bunch of pretentious, self appointed, experts about why this or that is wrong, or how this is the bug that they first reported... then have to reply to those posts to keep the angry mob at bay.

Fuck that.

Turn out the lights. Its just easier.

Now they have just that much more time to answer emails or valid claims.

Dennis DeSantis wrote: So, for now, we've decided to not post anything.

meaning you slackers fixed nothing. 8.1.3 is entirely 1.4gb of placebo!

*hugs*

Dennis - thanks for clarifying the 'suite' vs 'regular' in the 8.13 update.

It is nice to have official clarification.

+1 on no log report. less info = less confusion, for most.

Keep up the good work on tightening up Live 8.

nebulae wrote:meaning you slackers fixed nothing. 8.1.3 is entirely 1.4gb of placebo!

Actually, we just reuploaded Live 2, but with a few added bugs.

Dennis DeSantis wrote:

nebulae wrote:meaning you slackers fixed nothing. 8.1.3 is entirely 1.4gb of placebo!

Actually, we just reuploaded Live 2, but with a few added bugs.

Oh good. Wouldn't want to sully your current reputation with anything as stable as Live 2.

(oh snap!)

Downloading....

Dennis DeSantis wrote:

nebulae wrote:meaning you slackers fixed nothing. 8.1.3 is entirely 1.4gb of placebo!

Actually, we just reuploaded Live 2, but with a few added bugs.