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bass drum attack??

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:35 am
by brian sansone
Hi Ableton users!
I'm just getting settled in with ableton.
Is there a way to make the bass drum in an audio wave have more attack.
I have a great recording of the drum line, but I want the bass drum to hit harder.
Thanks!
Brian

Re: bass drum attack??

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:43 am
by tlennon
There is no transient shaper in live but you may be able to simulate it with the multi band compressor and eq 8.

Re: bass drum attack??

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:44 am
by yur2die4
I don't know how well this idea would work but,

I'd make a new copy of the original, and EQ it so those particular frequencies stand out most. And then re-render it as a new audio clip.

From there I would extract the groove and tidy up the midi data that it creates. Then use any kind of sample you want to add sound.

I'm sure there are better ideas than this, that have more to do with dynamics heh..

Re: bass drum attack??

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:15 pm
by NRJay
I'd say just use an EQ8.
The attack of a kick is mostly just high frequencies, so just boost those highs, but be aware of the volume levels.
You may need to compress it afterwards..

Re: bass drum attack??

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:19 pm
by tw1nstates
or,

Add a beater sound / transient from another kick on each hit.

Eq out the bottom end and perhaps a little top end so you get the nice punchy bit.


Kicks are really just pitched sub bass and beater noise (in dance music) so messing around with the beater bit might work as trying different sub bass (shorter perhaps)

Also, if it's not poking through enough - turn everything down a bit (or turn the kick up slightly), check that the frequencies aren't being masked by other stuff, what else is occupying the bottom end area - bass and kick clashing, solo the kick and then try different other parts with it at the same time. pads / vox / guitars / synths etc. Whats stopping it from jumping out when you add it.

Always try to cut rather than boost - this is an extension of this - you are talking about boosting a part of a sound, try cutting other stuff first. . .

Re: bass drum attack??

Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:41 am
by FurnitureFunk
Sometimes its just a matter of moving the sample start point of the kick sample slightly to the right. This would cause the sound to have an immediate attack and might be what you're looking for. If the sample starts at a point in the waveform that's not on the zero-crossing it will probably also result in a bit of a click sound, which might also help your cause. Play around with the sample start point until you find the spot that sounds best.