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Interesting article in this months Future Music mag about Sasha now using mainly
CDJ 2000's for playing out with Ableton used primarily for loops and effects.

i saw that too, those new cdj's are brilliant - pioneer have really nailed the mix between tactile control, intuitive use and creativity.

yes, I saw that coming. After all the hype of "whow, so many things you can do with Live live" most DJs find out that they actually don't want to do too much live. And then return to traktor or CD-players.

pepezabala wrote:yes, I saw that coming. After all the hype of "whow, so many things you can do with Live live" most DJs find out that they actually don't want to do too much live. And then return to traktor or CD-players.

exactly, because DJ-ing is not about permanent nerdy tech fuckery, but about playing good music and maybe adding a spice here and there with a little effect or a loop possibility. and about ultra fast access to tunes and the ability to be spontaneous and to completely throw a planned and prepared set overboard anytime.

with live you can't simply do that.

SubFunk wrote:
exactly, because DJ-ing is not about permanent nerdy tech fuckery, but about playing good music and maybe adding a spice here and there with a little effect or a loop possibility. and about ultra fast access to tunes and the ability to be spontaneous and to completely throw a planned and prepared set overboard anytime.

with live you can't simply do that.

my thoughts exactly,it's like the difference of having phone sex or REAL sex.

as dj synchro would say : it just works!

STOP IT!!!!!!!!

Why would ANYONE spend $1900 on ONE CD player when you could buy a laptop and Traktor for less? I just don't get it.

Or even two 1200s, a mixer, and serato/traktor scratch or close to the same price.

Verbal wrote:Why would ANYONE spend $1900 on ONE CD player when you could buy a laptop and Traktor for less?

I was going to ask/comment on price and there it is and my question exactly.

Also while a lot of companies are working on making things smaller and streamlined, without looking I can only assume this is another tank that has the same footprint as a vinyl deck. No thanks. I'm not that insecure.

beats me wrote:

Verbal wrote:Why would ANYONE spend $1900 on ONE CD player when you could buy a laptop and Traktor for less?

I was going to ask/comment on price and there it is and my question exactly.

Also while a lot of companies are working on making things smaller and streamlined, without looking I can only assume this is another tank that has the same footprint as a vinyl deck. No thanks. I'm not that insecure.

Exactly. Nowhere near cost effective. And I don't see how you can be more creative on this than say Traktor.

lol @ "I'm not that insecure."

you think he pays for that siht? he's sponsored, free gear, just don't cover up the labels while on stage. dumb rich kids see him using it so they go out and buy it.

Tone Deft wrote:you think he pays for that siht? he's sponsored, free gear, just don't cover up the labels while on stage. dumb rich kids see him using it so they go out and buy it.

this, and on top of it it's a product for clubs not for kids at home.

for home traktor using the software mixer with a midi controller, and then in clubs using only traktors decks with a proper mixer is the way to go, anyhow. anything just not ableton for DJ-ing, for gawds sake. (for the mentioned reasons)

SubFunk wrote:exactly, because DJ-ing is not about permanent nerdy tech fuckery, but about playing good music and maybe adding a spice here and there with a little effect or a loop possibility. and about ultra fast access to tunes and the ability to be spontaneous and to completely throw a planned and prepared set overboard anytime.

spot on.

SubFunk wrote:

pepezabala wrote:yes, I saw that coming. After all the hype of "whow, so many things you can do with Live live" most DJs find out that they actually don't want to do too much live. And then return to traktor or CD-players.

exactly, because DJ-ing is not about permanent nerdy tech fuckery, but about playing good music and maybe adding a spice here and there with a little effect or a loop possibility. and about ultra fast access to tunes and the ability to be spontaneous and to completely throw a planned and prepared set overboard anytime.

with live you can't simply do that.

of course you can. just have a large library of warped tracks in your HD and you have ultra-fast access to tunes (faster than looking thru a record box or CD wallet), the ability to be spontaneous (you are not so restricted with beat-matching within close bpm range) and throw anything planned or prepared overboard (you can store a greater library of tracks, therefore more choice to react to crowd).

U rock Kirk

SubFunk wrote:

pepezabala wrote:yes, I saw that coming. After all the hype of "whow, so many things you can do with Live live" most DJs find out that they actually don't want to do too much live. And then return to traktor or CD-players.

exactly, because DJ-ing is not about permanent nerdy tech fuckery, but about playing good music and maybe adding a spice here and there with a little effect or a loop possibility. and about ultra fast access to tunes and the ability to be spontaneous and to completely throw a planned and prepared set overboard anytime.

with live you can't simply do that.

+1 but this is to expensive , I buy them on ebay in a couple of years time, now im searching for used cdj 1000s, but they dont have track labeling.

Kirk Degiorgio wrote:

SubFunk wrote:

pepezabala wrote:yes, I saw that coming. After all the hype of "whow, so many things you can do with Live live" most DJs find out that they actually don't want to do too much live. And then return to traktor or CD-players.

exactly, because DJ-ing is not about permanent nerdy tech fuckery, but about playing good music and maybe adding a spice here and there with a little effect or a loop possibility. and about ultra fast access to tunes and the ability to be spontaneous and to completely throw a planned and prepared set overboard anytime.

with live you can't simply do that.

of course you can. just have a large library of warped tracks in your HD and you have ultra-fast access to tunes (faster than looking thru a record box or CD wallet), the ability to be spontaneous (you are not so restricted with beat-matching within close bpm range) and throw anything planned or prepared overboard (you can store a greater library of tracks, therefore more choice to react to crowd).

i beg to differ, that live is in any way faster or more flexible for the purpose of dj-ing.

i have both and used both.