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it seems to me like the ableton transient detection is spot on, i've yet to dispute the position of a transient marker.

but, why is the auto warp marker positioning off?

if i set a warp marker to be 1.1.1, right click on it an choose 'warp from here', it doesn't seem to work very well.

i listen to the music for a bit and can hear the click drifting off.

i zoom in a bit (for example just the next warp marker) and can see that it's near, but not on a transient.

i delete the warp marker, create a new one on the transient and drag that onto the beat. then i choose 'warp from here' again and seem to have to repeat the process forever.

isn't the point of warp markers that they pull transients onto the beat? why are warp markers put in places where transients are not?

what am i missing?

the transients are not spot on..they take care of zero crossings and other not timing related shit like pitch changes that make them absolutly useless for groove applikation..
I wonder why they are called transient markers.. they are rather something like the random zero crossing before the transient marker...


when there are things like warpmarkers AND trasients markers at least one of them should be accurate towards the transients..at least when you plan to include a feature like groove extraxtion and quantisation...
so we have to assume there was no plan behind... or nobdy at ableton correlates the features too each other...
That might also explain why some things appear to be genial while others pretty stupid...
I think they need a scrum master

i don't get it, so you don't like the transient marker points, but like the warp marker points?

either way, we're both seeing that the warp markers and transient markers are not really correlated?

with this music i have here now, the timing is tight if i go through all the warp markers, delete them, and make a warp marker on the closest transient.

this is a thing a computer can do, it doesn't need a human, and it's taking me ages!

how do people dj with ableton? do you really have to go through and check warp markers before using any music? i thought it just automagically worked? i mean setting a downbeat and approx tempo is fine, but then it's just meant to work? no?

its software.. not smartware

you should consult the manual regarding your questions

jimdrake wrote: how do people dj with ableton? do you really have to go through and check warp markers before using any music? i thought it just automagically worked? i mean setting a downbeat and approx tempo is fine, but then it's just meant to work? no?

You will ALWAYS have to make adjustments to the warp markers. Live has never once (at least for me) gotten warping tight enough using only auto-warp.

Warping is a learned skill though, over time you get good at it where it will only take 20 seconds to warp a track correctly.

vinkalmann wrote:
You will ALWAYS have to make adjustments to the warp markers. Live has never once (at least for me) gotten warping tight enough using only auto-warp.

Warping is a learned skill though, over time you get good at it where it will only take 20 seconds to warp a track correctly.

Agreed. You have to be willing to put some initial effort in. At first you will feel like you are pulling teeth, but after due diligence you will be warping 'correctly' and be able to do it in a few seconds and your results will be 201% better than 99% of others out there who expect autowarp to automagically make everything 'better' or 'right'.

Placement and timing are VERY subjective.

I never trust... correction EXPECT auto warp to give me 'correct' or 'reasonable' results.

IMHO, auto warp will rape the soul of your track/take about 99.998% of the time. This isn't a bad thing & I'm not saying the autowarp interpretation algorithm sucks. It doesn't. I have a sneaking suspicion that there has been some extraordinary effort and time put into developing it. However, it's got a long way to go, kinda like voice recognition software. ..."Visualize Whirled Peas"...

I refuse to use it. From what I've experienced, it seems to overcompensate and I find my self spending more time trying to correct it the autowarp as opposed to just warping it 'right' from the get go.