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I'd like to create a device/instrument/drumrack to mimic the Korg EMX. (in a sense I think i'm actually trying to create a sequencer the more I think of it. If you're a user of the electibe
this will all make sense to you)

To start off, I'm trying first to make the drum rack mimic how the EMX does it's drum parts. On the EMX, you select a drum part by hitting a pad 1-9 (they're not #'d like that, but 9 in total). And from there you have 6 knobs that can affect
how the drum part sounds.

by contrast, as you know, the drum rack has 128 parts. Woohoo!
Whether I use 9 or 128 parts is not the issue. Since I won't have 9pads to choose a part (or chaing as it is
referred to in Live, I believe this is resolved by mapping each part (e.g. chain) to Macro #1 - call it "part selector"
That's probably the easiest part. Though I'm not even sure you can map an entire chain to a Macro. (things within a chain light up green like vol, mute, pan, etc, but the chain itself?)

but my challenge is this:
Once I've used Macro #1 to select the part I'm about to alter, how can I be sure the remaining macros
#2 - 8 are only affecting the part i've chosen using Macro #1? Obviously, the parameter I chose for Macros 2 -8
will be redundant per chain, so how can I guarantee that when i'm altering one chain, i'm not affecting other chains?


That's the first challenge I don't understand.

there's more, but we'll start here.

ok, what I thought would be easy, i'm already stuggling with.
how can I make a chain/sample selector to select a drum cell (part) within a drum rack, that should be easy.

I figured I'd group my drum rack into an instrument rack. I've then mapped the selector of that chain to macro 1, but it's not selecting the corresponding drum cell.... help????

I think this is going to be pretty much impossible without using M4L.

Tarekith wrote:I think this is going to be pretty much impossible without using M4L.

ahhh shizzle

I'm too much a nooB - m4l is out of my league. Why would this be dependent on m4l do you say?

Tarekith, don't some of your DJ efx, some a macro knob that at least selects a diffrent chain? Like the Mlover DJ efx...

is there not a way in DRUM Racks to select from pad to pad using a Macro?
In SAMPLER, we know we have the selector, I've moved a Sampler device to a Drum Rack (that's easy - right clikc sampler -> Group to Drum Rack) but that puts the sampler on 1 pad (kewl trick for shuffling through / "auditioning" up 128 sounds) but I'm desiring a bit more. Each pad in Drum Rack, to get it's own sequence and knobs to effect each part....

If you ever saw that DRUM STACK rack that a few years ago (i'll find the link) I'm essentially after something like that only with controlling the parts invidually so I'm affecting one at a time (electribe style)

Just get NI Maschine. Seriously.

sailordrift wrote:Tarekith, don't some of your DJ efx, some a macro knob that at least selects a diffrent chain? Like the Mlover DJ efx...

is there not a way in DRUM Racks to select from pad to pad using a Macro?

Yes, all of the 1-knob DJ effects in my DJ EFX packs use that, but I can't think of a way to do it for a drum pad like that.

definitely that's not possible chain. can activate racks but no define differents macro destinations.

only solutions are M4L ,osc or hard midi tweaks.

if wou want to make your own "real harware" emulation with all the freedom you have in mind have to dive into max.
or i suggest ya Usine with is much cheaper and can run as a vst in live and bypass lot's of live limitations.
with usine it would be possible to make 8 midiknobs that virtually control 64 knobs, and deponding on the group
you are, controls this group only.

by the way i would also like to have such behaviour, that 8 permanents knows requests and updates the corresponding
'part' and affect only it. I can do it already via usine and liveosc, but a native feature would be nice indeed.

humnumb wrote:Just get NI Maschine. Seriously.

why would I NEED Maschine? I have a Launchpad and a Nocturn.
WHile I LOVE Native Instruments, Maschine is nothing more than a MPC like controller with a monster size sample library...
given the 2 controllers I just mentioned, why would I need machine, convince humnumb

sailordrift wrote:why would I NEED Maschine? I have a Launchpad and a Nocturn.
WHile I LOVE Native Instruments, Maschine is nothing more than a MPC like controller with a monster size sample library...

You couldn't be more wrong...

sailordrift wrote:given the 2 controllers I just mentioned, why would I need machine, convince humnumb

Because using Maschine is very much like using and Electribe without any of the inherent limitations of standalone hardware. And it integrates superbly withe Live, including drag and drop of audio/midi.
And have a look here:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140911

I would look into maschine too! hint hint

humnumb wrote:

sailordrift wrote:why would I NEED Maschine? I have a Launchpad and a Nocturn.
WHile I LOVE Native Instruments, Maschine is nothing more than a MPC like controller with a monster size sample library...

You couldn't be more wrong...

sailordrift wrote:given the 2 controllers I just mentioned, why would I need machine, convince humnumb

And have a look here:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140911

uh-oh... i'm already tilting towards this thing...thanks for the read. But i'm not necessarily looking for sampler thing, I don't do hip hop, EMX is also 5 SYNTHESIZERS, I don't see the Maschine being a synthesizer...I'm not a samplehead type, I rarely use my ESX (electribe sampler) so as I read on, i'm wondering how the Maschine replaces the EMX