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And then you have to scroll old-fashioned style? And I've never heard this mentioned before?

This can't be.

Can anyone confirm this for me?

Thanks.

I guess I'm the only fool who bought one of these?

ShelLuser wrote:Impatient, impatient....

A control surface will only access that which your DAW allows you to see, simple as that.

What are you talking about ? That makes no sense and is untrue. The Novation launchpad allows access to 8x64 = 512 scenes.

I don't know how it works with the APC-20, but with the APC-40 when one holds the Shift button to enter Session Overview, the Scene Launch buttons allow access to 125 scenes, without scrolling.

nowtime wrote:

ShelLuser wrote:Impatient, impatient....

A control surface will only access that which your DAW allows you to see, simple as that.

What are you talking about ? That makes no sense and is untrue. The Novation launchpad allows access to 8x64 = 512 scenes.

Really? Are you sure about that? Everything I've seen shows that it has access to 64 scenes, but I don't know as I don't have one.

AceLuby wrote:

nowtime wrote:

ShelLuser wrote:Impatient, impatient....

A control surface will only access that which your DAW allows you to see, simple as that.

What are you talking about ? That makes no sense and is untrue. The Novation launchpad allows access to 8x64 = 512 scenes.

Really? Are you sure about that? Everything I've seen shows that it has access to 64 scenes, but I don't know as I don't have one.

The Launchpad's 'session overview' allows you to access 64 tracks x 64 scenes. You have to manually scroll after 64 scenes.

EDIT: I do own a Launchpad

Akshara wrote:I don't know how it works with the APC-20, but with the APC-40 when one holds the Shift button to enter Session Overview, the Scene Launch buttons allow access to 125 scenes, without scrolling.

That's perfectly right and the APC 20 works exactly the same.
Beyond that, you have to scroll.

Cheers,
Dom

ShelLuser wrote:How did you come by this number in the first place?

The APC-40 (and APC-20, thanks Dom) has an 8x5 Clip Launch grid, with 5 additional Scene Launch triggers on a vertical row to the right of the Clip Launch grid. When the Shift button is held, the unit goes into Session Overview mode, where each individual Clip Launch trigger represents one 8x5 grid, which allows for quick access to a bank of 64 tracks and 25 scenes across the entire grid. In this mode, each Scene Launch trigger jumps to the next or previous 64x25.

Basically, if my project has at least 64 tracks and 125 scenes, then while holding the Shift button, I press the 5th Scene trigger and then the 5th Clip Launch trigger on the 8th row, it jumps to Tracks 57-64 on Scenes 121 to 125. If the project has more tracks/scenes than this, and the Shift button is held down, then the Bank Select button scrolls through columns and rows at 8 channels and 5 scenes per click.

Edit: I see that you did the math. ; )

dom wrote:

Akshara wrote:I don't know how it works with the APC-20, but with the APC-40 when one holds the Shift button to enter Session Overview, the Scene Launch buttons allow access to 125 scenes, without scrolling.

That's perfectly right and the APC 20 works exactly the same.
Beyond that, you have to scroll.

Cheers,
Dom

Would you agree this is a major fail, Dom? Am I the first person to consider this a limitation? Many of us Live users create "Performance Sets" which may include 10-20 songs, each with many scenes. This quickly uses up the 125 scenes and renders the APC20 useless.

Sorry for being grumpy, but I have to send this back.

nowtime wrote:

dom wrote:

Akshara wrote:I don't know how it works with the APC-20, but with the APC-40 when one holds the Shift button to enter Session Overview, the Scene Launch buttons allow access to 125 scenes, without scrolling.

That's perfectly right and the APC 20 works exactly the same.
Beyond that, you have to scroll.

Cheers,
Dom

Would you agree this is a major fail, Dom? Am I the first person to consider this a limitation? Many of us Live users create "Performance Sets" which may include 10-20 songs, each with many scenes. This quickly uses up the 125 scenes and renders the APC20 useless.

Sorry for being grumpy, but I have to send this back.

What's your plan after you dump it because as far as I know the APC series has the most direct access to scenes? Also, why do you need direct access to all of those scenes? Are you flipping through your set a lot? Couldn't you set your set up to be more linear and planned?

nowtime wrote:

dom wrote:

Akshara wrote:I don't know how it works with the APC-20, but with the APC-40 when one holds the Shift button to enter Session Overview, the Scene Launch buttons allow access to 125 scenes, without scrolling.

That's perfectly right and the APC 20 works exactly the same.
Beyond that, you have to scroll.

Cheers,
Dom

Would you agree this is a major fail, Dom? Am I the first person to consider this a limitation? Many of us Live users create "Performance Sets" which may include 10-20 songs, each with many scenes. This quickly uses up the 125 scenes and renders the APC20 useless.

Sorry for being grumpy, but I have to send this back.

If you are using 125 sceens for one set you are doing something very wrong... that is over 8000 clips...

what's wrong with scrolling?

nothing wrong at all i use 154 scenes in my latest live set over 10 audio tracks and 14 songs

has some fixes been made?
this limitation is a pain.

i don't really care about scrolling numerically the first 125 scenes and then nothing, but i care to scroll frm the top to 25% / half / 75% / and bottom of document.

i dj many genres, with tempo varying from 60 to 160.
ableton is simply amazing.

but the scrolling is a pain.
i have 500 scenes.

if for instance i wanna change dramatically genre, and the new genre is at the bottom of the document, i need to keep scrolling like an idiot all of the lines instead of having a shortcut to get there immediately.

any ideas for that?
thanks