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I just bought Suite 8 with Session Drums, and while I like the kits in there, it's disappointing that there are no jazz drumkits included.

By jazz kits I mean stuff like be-bop kits with higher-tuned drums with thin heads, light sticks, and lots of overtones/harmonics. More important, I'm looking for jazz cymbals with soft bells, very light and bright stick definition, higher frequency overtones, with long decays and a pleasant, non-gong-y wash.

A good example: a Gretsch kit in 8x12, 14x14, 14x18 with 5x14 snare, Remo Ambassador coated heads, Zildjian K Constantinople cymbals, and light 7A round-bead, wood-tipped sticks.

In other words, at the opposite of the tonal spectrum from the majority of kit samples today, which are tuned low, sound like cardboard boxes, and are muffled/compressed beyond belief. Seems like it's very easy to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on collections of drumset samples, only to find maybe one or two kits or specific instruments that only come close to the sound of a real be-bop kit.

Any suggestions? Thanks very much for any help you can provide! Extra points for stuff that works well within Live--one of the reasons I bought Session Drums was because it fits so well within the Live interface.

Have you checked this: https://www.toontrack.com/products.asp?item=44

i think puremagnetik put out one called trapkit - which was good. . but in general its hard to finds sample banks like that.

swishniak wrote:i think puremagnetik put out one called trapkit - which was good. . but in general its hard to finds sample banks like that.

the trapkit is unusable on my macbook 2ghz 3 GB ram. cpu overkill. Dunno if this is supposed to work only on faster machines.

pepezabala wrote:the trapkit is unusable on my macbook 2ghz 3 GB ram. cpu overkill. Dunno if this is supposed to work only on faster machines.

really? unusable? sorry to hear that. i built the racks on my macbook 2.4 with 4 GB, and definitely don't have any trouble at all. even performing live, and triggering with low buffer settings. did you try the TrapKit-Lite rack that is somewhat minimized? I made that in hopes that it would work well on older machines (older than YOURS, i didn't think 2ghz/3GB would be a problem at all).

lemme know.

- b

also the real reason i was looking in this thread, i had recorded the same kit with brushes but never programmed up those racks. a very likely future release would be - "TrapKit Brushes" or something like that. programming drum parts with sampled brush kits has always seemed really awkward to me so if i do build this, i would prolly try to do some crafty rack programming to get a more realistic sound.

dchang0 wrote:I just bought Suite 8 with Session Drums, and while I like the kits in there, it's disappointing that there are no jazz drumkits included.

By jazz kits I mean stuff like be-bop kits with higher-tuned drums with thin heads, light sticks, and lots of overtones/harmonics. More important, I'm looking for jazz cymbals with soft bells, very light and bright stick definition, higher frequency overtones, with long decays and a pleasant, non-gong-y wash.

A good example: a Gretsch kit in 8x12, 14x14, 14x18 with 5x14 snare, Remo Ambassador coated heads, Zildjian K Constantinople cymbals, and light 7A round-bead, wood-tipped sticks.

In other words, at the opposite of the tonal spectrum from the majority of kit samples today, which are tuned low, sound like cardboard boxes, and are muffled/compressed beyond belief. Seems like it's very easy to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on collections of drumset samples, only to find maybe one or two kits or specific instruments that only come close to the sound of a real be-bop kit.

Any suggestions? Thanks very much for any help you can provide! Extra points for stuff that works well within Live--one of the reasons I bought Session Drums was because it fits so well within the Live interface.

i dont hurts to do once in your live an own sampleset.. just to proove to yourself that you are no preset pussy..that you can do it, and just use presets to have it faster going...

you even might share the set..and qualify this way to use the sets of others.. or exchange sets .. nobody is especally hot after preset sets in exchange of own work...

you just need a mike and someone with the wright drum kit.. maybe even scanning drum sollos on records..

maybe blend/stack theee samples with some libry/comercial ones to add missing decays ..

In any case such a set will be more fun to use..