Ableton Forum

On paper it seems that as Automap gets developed, both MK1 and MK2 have equal chance to get fully covered.

What do you think?

That's the original question - not screen vs tactile or other crapped out stuff like Apple in Trobble.

Surely...I mean why not? I'll be pissed offff when/if they dont support.

automap is crap... i would sell the stuff aslong you still get money for it and go for ipad alike units that will pop out at any corner very soon... theese novation products were designed to be trashed ..i wouldnt expect support over many years...


the advantage with the i pad is that the hardware and software come from independend companys. apple has t odeliver good hardware..they have a name to loose... while the software guys have to deliver good work otherwise they are lost..


thats much better for the end user than companys that deliver as many knobs for little money as possible and just have the software as an extra on top of that...


you can see that also with ableton where 3rd party guys doing midi mappings around the ableton controlers that can do so much more than ableton was able to deliver with all theire internal access to the program...
just because they have to while ableton is focusing on the main progran and the dedicted controler implementations are quickly done and not really touched again...

Crap? You get no knobs or keyboard in your ppad. AMOF you do, but lame.

Still, open source would be more than welcome.

I totally follow you 3phase...I'm just depressed I wont have the $ to dish out for an iPad any time soon (open invitation for the PC twats to chime in & kick a man when he's down) However the truth remains---This is the future of digital audio production.

I totally follow you 3phase...I'm just depressed I wont have the $ to dish out for an iPad any time soon (open invitation for the PC twats to chime in & kick a man when he's down) However the truth remains---This is the future of digital audio production.

I totally follow you 3phase...I'm just depressed I wont have the $ to dish out for an iPad any time soon (open invitation for the PC twats to chime in & kick a man when he's down) However the truth remains---This is the future of digital audio production.

Whoa....Deja vu...Glitch in the matrix I suppose.

3phase wrote:automap is crap... i would sell the stuff aslong you still get money for it and go for ipad alike units that will pop out at any corner very soon... theese novation products were designed to be trashed ..i wouldnt expect support over many years...


the advantage with the i pad is that the hardware and software come from independend companys. apple has t odeliver good hardware..they have a name to loose... while the software guys have to deliver good work otherwise they are lost..


thats much better for the end user than companys that deliver as many knobs for little money as possible and just have the software as an extra on top of that...


you can see that also with ableton where 3rd party guys doing midi mappings around the ableton controlers that can do so much more than ableton was able to deliver with all theire internal access to the program...
just because they have to while ableton is focusing on the main progran and the dedicted controler implementations are quickly done and not really touched again...

You lost any validity with using the iPad as an option, tactile feel is a necesity.

I wouldn't worry about it. Automap looks better on paper than in actual use. It's not so revolutionary, and not nearly as integral to my stage or studio as I thought when I got it years ago.

And yes, touch screens are replacing knobs quickly. Well, perhaps I should say the iPad is doing so. Hell, iPad just killed Lemur.

So far they won't replace my fatar keys, but they sure as hell can replace knobs/sliders.

e.g.: wrote:I wouldn't worry about it. Automap looks better on paper than in actual use. It's not so revolutionary, and not nearly as integral to my stage or studio as I thought when I got it years ago.

And yes, touch screens are replacing knobs quickly. Well, perhaps I should say the iPad is doing so. Hell, iPad just killed Lemur.

So far they won't replace my fatar keys, but they sure as hell can replace knobs/sliders.

The ipad works very good on faders..even with wet fingers.. knobs on a touchpad? not really... but than..which controler still has real knobs? theese rotarys are anyway not the haptik sensation of a real knob anymore...

and when it comes to the cliplaunch matrix? to have the actuall real screen in front of you helps the oveview so much..

the little tactile click is nice but looses value when you have to buy it with overview loss..

The designers of the ableton cliplaunches totally failed there when the did it in a quadtratic fashion..not only a waste of space..it just dont feels wright when you have spend a decade watching the ableton screen and your dedicated controler is so much out of proportion that all the garphical patters of your setups just got eliminated...

stupid design to the max..form over function.. not form that follows function...
So having an ipad in front of you with one of the cliplaunchers there feels imidieatly much mor like it, without having even touched the grid..

however.. i would like haptik reponse too.. i heard that they experiment with touchscreens that simulate that by electic fields.. but that sounds pretty science fiction to me still...

In ideal you would have a controler with litlle oled displays in each clip launch buttons with rotarys that have a magnetic stop point...
possible... but only for the sons of sheiks among us... expensiv stuff.. however that would be the royce royce of controlers

but back to topic..

automap.. i call it crap because it has caused so much issues on my computer in which year of its exsistance..the 3rd?

I call that the M.audio phenomen..when a company dont gets it within the first year to get theire software so tidy one can risk to use it on stage i am off.. not intersted anymore..cant take them serious anymore.

Novation is handled in the category for me now.. and i neve rtouch products from them again that depend on theire software or drivers..


With the launchpad the build quality is ok.. there it´s more the ableton internal implementation that sucks.. and the formfactor..

Its really 100 % bigger (seen on the square ) than it should be... you really can operate it with your feat..thats really not the dimension tactile musicans actually need to operate.. its rather for orks that they can operate it with their claws..
and.. the square formfactor looks neet.. but again.. no representation of the ableton screen proportions.. to abstract..

had the most fun with it as a input toy for reaktor than as ableton clip launcher...
So as long you use it as input fo max or reaktor patches its fine.. as cliplaunch the formfaktor sucks..
rather for handycapd people and djs..

for djs one button represents a whole record.. so it can be big.. But for just a high hat variation you toggle around the knobs are allomst to distant from each other allready...


And the fader function? nice idea but badly developed..what a waste of a good idea...could have had an allmost 3 times finer resolution with some additional lines of code..
And for controlers its really bad to dont do it wright in the first place,
because users learn the moves and dont want to relearn them again.. so it will stay the pretty unusable 6db jump shit that is wasting 2 rows of buttons for total silence :-/
not really thrufully developed. as usual theese days...

so.. the ipad is a much better option in any regard..at least much better as ableton controler...

akai should maybe bring a fader knob box with theiere rotarys and display that automatical asigns to the selcted clip as the apc does..


that would be a product that would still stand a chance.. some real knobs and maybe faders from akai.. and the ipad as clip launcher and fx controler...

For someone that is constantly bitching about system efficency why the hell would you want to add the overhead of the iPad?

I do not want to ruin your fun of crapping again on long exploited stuff, but please take into consideration that the original question was not directed to you faithful funs of Apple or specifically





Get PM, start a mailing list, or even just another thread of appraisdal, but please don't vomit again all over the place.


The question remains valid, mark you - to users of Novation REMOTE: do MK1 and MK2 have the same chance of benefitting from future Automap upgrades?