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personnaly it's the midi edition capabilities that i find a bit simplist, LIVE needs more midi power, also more quantizing choice !

WTF?

This is like saying "Yeah, I'd get that BMW, but the underside of the wheelwells is dark grey, and I really think it should be light grey. Screw BMW."

Live can do SO F'ING MUCH and *this* puts you off?

Yeah I already bought it, but honestly 3 would have been just fine for most of what I'm doing.
I compose in Logic, and transfer audio files to Live for live use and remixing. I sometimes write in Live, but honestly, I like Logic better for composing. Multiple screens might be the bane of some, but not me, editing MIDI in a third of your screen, or rather having to resize the screen isn't that friendly with large MIDI parts.

Though for DJ style remixing, nothing comes close.

What's holding you up from buying LIVE ?

your mum

phonk wrote:personnaly it's the midi edition capabilities that i find a bit simplist, LIVE needs more midi power, also more quantizing choice !

I agree with you, the midi needs alot of improvemnet. From simple

programing with a controller to a nudge or offset feature in quantize. Live

5 maybe???

ekko wrote:WTF?

This is like saying "Yeah, I'd get that BMW, but the underside of the wheelwells is dark grey, and I really think it should be light grey. Screw BMW."

Live can do SO F'ING MUCH and *this* puts you off?

I dont think thats a fair comparison. Actually I don't get why you

wouldn't want more advanced midi features??? Personally the midi

implementation in 4 justified my purchase.

ekko wrote:WTF?

This is like saying "Yeah, I'd get that BMW, but the underside of the wheelwells is dark grey, and I really think it should be light grey. Screw BMW."

Live can do SO F'ING MUCH and *this* puts you off?

yeah that puts me off for the moment , different people have different needs you see ? now become a real musician and maybe you'll see what i mean...music doesn't only means stacking loops together and tweaking a little bit, stop eating baby food man...

Komplex wrote: your mum

my mum is holding you from buying LIVE !!!!! LOL you don't have enough of 1 already ? i'll tell her about your case i think it should be fine, you can go and buy it...

music doesn't only means stacking loops together and tweaking a little bit

sorry, but my parents were not rich enough to pay me a piano and piano lessons, so i don't understand anything to music ! but electronic music and programs like Live allow people who have no skills to make music (yes, music), and i think this is a wonderful thing

music is not reserved to an elite

mexique1 wrote: sorry, but my parents were not rich enough to pay me a piano and piano lessons, so i don't understand anything to music ! but electronic music and programs like Live allow people who have no skills to make music (yes, music), and i think this is a wonderful thing

music is not reserved to an elite

Man if every musician on that planet had to wait mumy and daddy to by a piano the world would be very silent ! now don't forget that you're "making music" thanksfull to the musicians that have made the loops you're playing with ! without them you would do...hmmm...nothing.
it's not hard work to open a book and learn how to make a chord man !

phonk wrote:personnaly it's the midi edition capabilities that i find a bit simplist, LIVE needs more midi power, also more quantizing choice !

phonk wrote: yeah that puts me off for the moment , different people have different needs you see ? now become a real musician and maybe you'll see what i mean...music doesn't only means stacking loops together and tweaking a little bit, stop eating baby food man...

surely a "real musician" wouldn't have to use quantizing?

.... but seriously.....

if quantizing is your thing... i'm not sure what else you want?... i mean it has a range of quantizing.... from semi-brieves to 64th triplets... ???

all with a few easy mouse and key strokes...

am wrote: i'm not sure what else you want?... i mean it has a range of quantizing.... from semi-brieves to 64th triplets... ???

here is a link i found on a thread that summerize what seems a lot of people want about quantizing :
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11907

don't worry, i'm learning every day ! i said that about the piano just as an example to say that Live (and other programs) kind of "democratizes" music (and not "music")
and i would say to you that music is not just chords ! open your eyes, music has changed... so you think the work ("work"?) of people like Aphex Twin, Autechre with Max/MSP and algorythmic music is nothing ? Mozart's dead...

you're "making music" thanksfull to the musicians that have made the loops you're playing with

who told you i was making music with loops ? i use Live mainly to work the midi loops of my samplers, to work it in a "visual" way, the piano roll is very helpful... i also use Live to complexify the loops i have made in Reason or any free VST, and then i send them to my samplers, i slice them, rearrange them, and so on... so this isn't music ? and Live is just the simplest way i've found to do that !

i think that the work of a guy who starts from scratch, from nothing, is always more interesting than the work of a man who has partitions, chords and notes in his head, because he will build his own representation of what is making music, he will not reproduce what already exists...

can't you understand that ?

it's a pain in the ass that i can't plainly explain myself in english, i would have written three pages !!!

take it easy, hey

Mexique1 said: programs like Live allow people who have no skills to make music (yes, music), and i think this is a wonderful thing

aaaaaaaarrrgh!

there is a good reason that people learn music skills, theory and practice: to make good meaningful evocative music. That is being killed off by mindless loop monkeys.
Any muppet can loop 3 samples of talented musicians together and it will sound similar to music, but it is not the same. It is one step removed from dowloading a new ringtone and claiming you just composed it.

Some of these people will become interested in music and learn what a minor 7th chord is , the other 99% will continue to churn out sonic slurry blissfully unaware that the noise they make is lame beyond belief.

I learnt about music because I am interested in it, I like it. Weirdly this knowledge helps me make tunes using whatever comes to hand, whether it is Live - or a few planks of wood with strings attached.

If you make noises without valuing Music, you are my enemy, you are killing Music.

mexique1 wrote:music has changed... so you think the work ("work"?) of people like Aphex Twin, Autechre with Max/MSP and algorythmic music is nothing ? Mozart's dead...

take it easy, hey

Man you're talking to a guy that listen to squarepusher everyday, now don't tell me that guys like aphextwin, autechre, squarepusher, plaid and all the warp recors artist do beats and only beats or listen more carefully + mozart might be dead indeed but his music is still alive and i'm shure you wish he was there tweaking some knobs and scratching, don't get me wrong i'm not a big fan of mozart i'm shure you visualize me in front of a 3/4 piano with some glasses, a partition and a fireplace in the background right ? man i'm phucking doing beats with a MPC4000 all day !

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i think that the work of a guy who starts from scratch, from nothing, is always more interesting than the work of a man who has partitions, chords and notes in his head, because he will build his own representation of what is making music, he will not reproduce what already exists...

can't you understand that ? [/quote]

no i can't , you made it as clear as mud

mais vas-y fait peter une reponse en francais

take it easy as well man !

wow... it's like a serious music showdown here...

why don't you all post links to your music and have a "what is music" debate after that.