Ableton Forum

What bothers me the most is that Ableton added a $149 synth to Live, but 4.1 doesn't bring any feature requests to the table. It's like they've been working on this "secret" device for so long and there was all sorts of hype around it, which is ok, but what about the consistancy of making Live better by listening to its users? Adding a soft synth for $149 but no new improvements to Live (other than bug fixes) IS A BIG LETDOWN.

While developing more tools that ask for our money they should have a parallel roadmap that's consistantly making Live the best DAW it can be. There is always room for improvement, and customer loyalty says a lot. Please don't let Ableton turn into another Native Instruments.

dfusion wrote:While developing more tools that ask for our money they should have a parallel roadmap that's consistantly making Live the best DAW it can be. There is always room for improvement, and customer loyalty says a lot. Please don't let Ableton turn into another Native Instruments.

What are you saying? Do you feel that Reaktor is now not powerful enough as a result of NI brunching out into Kontakt, Battery, Traktor, Spektral Delay, FM7, Pro 53???? Would you rather they stayed on one product for all these years, and consumers be deprived of those other excellent tools?

I am not saying that a new synth in Live is more important than enhancing its core functionality, but, c'mon, give Ableton a break. I am sure they are working on different angles of making Live better, and in fact, everyone was very excited when they spent time developing Simpler and Impulse. The thing is that as long as those were *free* no-one complained about already having a zillion far more powerful samplers and drum machines in their arsenal. So take it easy, let the guys do their job. After all, the sales figures of Operator will be the best indicator of its usefulness to consumers at its price point.

ilia I agree... cut them some slack.

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Please don't let Ableton turn into another Native Instruments

dont you mean SonicFoundry ?

one thing to keep in mind is that they have always worked to improve Live. did anyone think from using Live 1 that it would grow into a fully-fledged yet stable DAW within 3 years? it takes a lot of thought, planning and work to change so much so soon.

also, i can't think of one person who wouldn't get bored doing the same thing all the time. it's only natural that they would try their hand at a synth. on the plus side, they're not making anyone pay for it who doesn't want it. all of us who like free stuff have plenty of free synth options out there. (i myself will reserve judgement until i actually hear it.)

ilia wrote:What are you saying? Do you feel that Reaktor is now not powerful enough as a result of NI brunching out into Kontakt, Battery, Traktor, Spektral Delay, FM7, Pro 53????

What I mean is that NI spreads themselves thin with all the apps they have and sometimes it takes ages to get one stable.

...as a result of NI brunching out...

Hold it there pal. I don't know what you're implying over there in Moscow, but here in New York City if you're "brunching out" it involves waffles and melon and orange juice with that bubbly stuff in it, and it's nothing to complain about.

Give Ableton a break. I mean, they have a successful company but until now they've only had one product to sell (hooded sweatshirt and beach-ready tote bag aside).

They reinvented the DAW, I say, why not have a hack at the synth?

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:Give Ableton a break...they've only had one product to sell (hooded sweatshirt and beach-ready tote bag aside).

I like my tote bag and my Ableton Mouse Pad! As long as they keep including stickers in the box I'm happy.

I personally love the synth. I aint fooled by shiny metallic interfaces with placebo food presets. I fired up the Operator and am enjoying the sounds coming out of it. I reckon with a bit of tweaking you could loads of great sounds out of it. I've got another FM synth and I gladly swap it for Operator. There aint nothing wrong with Operator but the price.

David wrote:I personally love the synth. I aint fooled by shiny metallic interfaces with placebo food presets. I fired up the Operator and am enjoying the sounds coming out of it. I reckon with a bit of tweaking you could loads of great sounds out of it. I've got another FM synth and I gladly swap it for Operator. There aint nothing wrong with Operator but the price.

I have no doubt it's a great synth, but since Live 4 was released last year (and Impulse and Simpler were the only included instruments) I think many people have a good synth collection. It will take a little time to soak in, but eventually everyone will be using it.

can i download live 4.1 without operator? i have no intention of buying it and no desire to demo it atm. there's probably going to be no way to remove it from the "live instruments" folder either, is there.

corey

MarkH wrote:It will take a little time to soak in, but eventually everyone will be using it.

I agree, I think its very useable.

David wrote:

MarkH wrote:It will take a little time to soak in, but eventually everyone will be using it.

I agree, I think its very useable.

and..let the gods decide on this one..

secretagentgel wrote:can i download live 4.1 without operator? i have no intention of buying it and no desire to demo it atm. there's probably going to be no way to remove it from the "live instruments" folder either, is there.

corey

why? it just sits there in the program. No one is gonna force you to drag it into an empty midi channel.