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Problems with gliding between notes

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:56 pm
by max-williams
Hi all. I've got a track where i'm using Native Instruments' "Massive" to do a bassline. I want to be able to play it live, and my problem is how gliding is managed when two notes are pressed simultaneously and then one is released. Currently what happens is

note a is held
- note a plays
note b is held as well
- starts gliding from a to b
let go of b
- note a instantly starts playing again (ie without gliding back)

This is fine. However, the problem occurs when you let go of note a: what happens now is

note a is held
- note a plays
note b is held as well
- starts gliding from a to b
let go of a
- continues gliding to b

In this situation, ie when note a is released halfway through gliding to b, i want it to instantly start playing note b. In other words, it should only glide when two notes are held down: as soon as only one note is playing, it should stop gliding and just play this note.

This required behaviour is what i expected it to do by default, but it doesn't. I can't work out how to fix it: i don't know if it's an ableton thing or a Massive thing.

Any ideas anyone?

In case anyone wants a look at the massive patch, i've put it into my public dropbox - the link is here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/846812/Dwiddle.ksd

Re: Problems with gliding between notes

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:55 am
by Synthbuilder
max-williams wrote:However, the problem occurs when you let go of note a: what happens now is

note a is held
- note a plays
note b is held as well
- starts gliding from a to b
let go of a
- continues gliding to b
Personally I think this is the correct way of doing things. For long glides you would have to keep your fingers on both notes until the final pitch is reached other wise you'd hear a jump as you took off the first. Which is not normally wanted or expected.

But Massive does seem to have a different behaviour in your first example - not all synths do that. Legato playing is usually the determining factor, so I can appreciate there is some discrepancy there.

You could try turning slide on and off during the clip. There is a standard midi CC that allows this which you could manually edit in the midi editor of Live. I guess Massive's own slide switch could also be automated too.

I'm pretty sure it's the VST that handles all of this and not the way Live handles midi data.

Re: Problems with gliding between notes

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:19 am
by max-williams
Thanks Synthbuilder, i'll have a look for that slide setting. Anyone else got any suggestions?