Ableton Forum

Just saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4DuPALTmIc

What you guys think? Is it worth the money? (estimated price 3000€ / 4000$)

It seems to have many features that can be found on the V Synth already....

Definitely not worth it IMO.

In one of the videos they told the story behind the Jupiter 8, i.e. it was designed for recreating real instruments but failed totally. With the jupiter 80 they try again... with supernatural technology bla etc....
So it seems this time they will come closer to their goal to recreate instruments but won't be able to recreate the success of the jupiter 8...

I own an original JP-8 and the 80 is an all together different beast.

The only similarities I see are the ARP and Split/Layer; it stops there.

Sound wise, let's not even go there.

This new Jupiter 80 may be a nice toy, but I don't think it really deserves the name Jupiter, especially when you think about how huge and warm the original sounds.

Unsexy

Its funny though, (in historical perspective) how Roland is only able to make big classics, from utter failing on their goal.

tb303, 808, 909, juno, jupiter, and so on.

ze2be wrote:Its funny though, (in historical perspective) how Roland is only able to make big classics, from utter failing on their goal.

tb303, 808, 909, juno, jupiter, and so on.

I still have a paper bag i once got with a 606.. like a normal plastic shopping bag.. glossy orange printing all over and in Black .. Roland ... We Design The Future..

that was theire slogan back than.. 83 or 84? finaly an advertizing promise that was made true..

For that they still deserve respect..

but they future is now.. so nothing for them to do anymore..

If the original Juno 106 would be released now it would be a still comprehensiv product that meets market demands.

i picked the 106 because it was theier first with full midi implementation but still has all knobs..what is the market demand for hardware synths again...
inbetween we had the full midi cotrolability in any device but lost the knobs...

Not impressed. I lost faith in Roland years ago. Personally i think the last good Roland synths were The JP-8000 and the rack version (JP-8080).

That's all Roland has been doing lately, Juno-D, Juno-G, Juno-Di, now it's Jupiter...just putting an old famous name and look on some less then convincing compromise of a synth.

V-Synths kick ass, this thing is not convincing at all.

#1thelark wrote:What you guys think? Is it worth the money? (estimated price 3000€ / 4000$)

Err - no!

I paid 1400UKP for my original V-Synth keyboard new - current V-Synth GT is 2600UKP now - and now this? FFS!

In the last couple of years quality of what can be done live on a high end laptop with a low latency audio interface for the price you pay makes most hardware synths seem like iphones in gold plated cases - ie a fucking pointless waste of money.

5 years ago - they made sense - prices where in the region where if you were serious about music, you could consider them and TBH soft synths were still mostly poor by comparison.

These days - who the hell can afford this or v-synth gt, virus ti 2 keyboard, nord stuff, or even pioneer 2k series mixer and decks? I think theyve lost the fucking plot - the reason they kept going over the years is becuase other then top a-list acts could afford their gear and bought it and it was actually alot better than what could be done with a computer soft synth.

Not any more - just a total rip off. I know their quality is good - v-synth is a really solid bit of kit like their v-drum stuff etc unlike all the cheap plastic shite controllers etc, but this is just silly.

I can semi understand fully analog synths being really expensive for what they do - but purely digital boards?

One thing here - the super nature thing - it would be great to see something like this in some good soft synths, but the underlying synth behind justt isnt that special. Neither is the v-synth gt these days when something like alchemy exists which does pretty much anything I used to do with the original v-synth.

I would actually be happier if roland would take their high quality keyboard build and just make a really really good performance controller that was more like their new synths than the cheap crap from the likes of novation, akai and others with their stupid unimaginative generic boring controllers. If you have used any of their recent generation synths or even high end v-drum stuff, then you will know what Im talking about - its a world of difference between them and the crappy toys we have to plug into our computers.

I dont really use the v-synth anymore as a synth, will probbaly sell it very soon - but am so tempted to keep it as a pure controller if it wasnt so heavy. Even my TI spends more time as a controller now than as a synth.

feel like roland gave up on creating good stuff long time ago, any new machine with an old name it's just a marketing thing. they should concentrate on the V series, that's quite good stuff

To be fair, it's a terrible and incredibly boring demonstration.

I bet it's got some real treats in it, we just haven't been shown them.

I read this comment about the 80 at synthopia.com...
"It's like Ferrari suddenly decides that the horse logo and Testarossa name are appropriate branding for the latest fiat station wagon."

I recommmend TAL' juno 60 chorus plugin, it gives every shit synth a juno flavour...

pish !