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Hi forum posse,


I've started integrating a Yamaha 01X into my setup and have very much been enjoying Mackie Control style integration with SX3/Nuendo3 .

Mackie Control mode unfortunately doesn't appear to be relevant to Live.

Correct me if I'm wrong however it would appear the Yamaha 01X only allows creation of 1 single Generic remote control. Is this true? Unfortunately the 01X manual is a little cryptic !

To date I've configured my BCF2000 superbly with Live4. Basically my scheme is that each Channel/Track in Ableton is allocated a MIDI CC type equal to the track number. I then use different MIDI channels for each family of BCF fader/encoder/button. The first scene location memory (out of the BCF2000's 32 memories) I use to control Ableton Live tracks 1 through 8, Scene 2 controls tracks 9 through 16, etc, etc.

This scheme I've worked out above for BCF2000 works well with Live for 2 reasons ....

#1
Its extendable and potentially accomodates up to 128 Channels of Ableton Live (since there are 128 MIDI CC types available).

#2
Although Ableton doesn't support a Fader Bank style function (the very thing which makes Mackie Control work with things like Cubase SX) switching quickly between scene presets on the BCF2000 provides a perfectly workable solution.


I tried using the default mapping setup in the Yamaha 01X's Generic controller mode. As a test I assigned the static set of 9 faders to 8 Live Channels and the 9th to the Master fader. Pitch bend messages are used for the main faders in the 01X's default Generic controller mapping.

After assigning these Ableton was properly sending out update data to the motors promptly snapping all the faders to 0 position. Then things started getting very weird .... Moving faders with the mouse would make the motorised faders on the 01X start to twitch errartically. Upon releasing mouse the fader would continue twitching and then randomly jump to a different position (???). Faders adjacent to the adjusted fader would also start twitching out .... mmmmmmmmmmm ....

There's nothing erratic about the faders on the 01X since operating the 01X under Cubase SX3.0.1.514's Yamaha 01X driver delivers smooth reliable fader updates with no hint of twitching or MIDI issues. In fact now I understand why people rave about having Mackie Control integration with scribble strips when a DAW allows deep integration with Mackie Control.

Can anyone share useful experiences in setting up the Yamaha 01X with Live 4 as a control surface ????

Can anyone offer any advice ?

Dear Ableton's .... Full Mackie Control integration (with scribble strip parameter name feedback) would certainly be a welcome addition to a future update/upgrade at some stage when the development process allows the time.

Thanks for taking the time to read this post.

Incidentally the 01X is a damn fine piece of kit. Great, solid build quality. Smooth fader operation, M-Lan audio interfacing. Please don't get the impression from the above coments I'm dissatisfied with this machine because it is quality in my humble opinion ....

Cheers !


jasefos

just a little bump in the hope of finding another 01X + Live4 user ...

my mate is using the 01x,pc, and live4, and he got the same problems.
nothing wrong with the 01x, really good and stable machine, it is live thats causing the problems.
hopefully ableton will fix it in the not to distant future.

Check out this thread:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... hlight=01x

I've been using this for 5 months - excellent solution until / unless Ableton implement native control surface support.

aguycalledrichard wrote:Check out this thread:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... hlight=01x

I've been using this for 5 months - excellent solution until / unless Ableton implement native control surface support.

Thanks for posting aguycalledrichard ; )
I'll definitely have to check this out when I next connect up the 01X.

Hopefully the Abletons intend including Mackie Control support sometime soon !

i've had erratic behavior with the 01x controlling Live.

for instance, after assigning the pan pots, turning the pan on the 01x causes the Pan pots of live's channels to jump to absolute positions, usually hard left and back to center.
in general i'm experiencing semi-adequate behavior...

any tips would be appreciated

billyd wrote:i've had erratic behavior with the 01x controlling Live.

for instance, after assigning the pan pots, turning the pan on the 01x causes the Pan pots of live's channels to jump to absolute positions, usually hard left and back to center.
in general i'm experiencing semi-adequate behavior...

any tips would be appreciated

Although I haven't tried it yet I'd recommend trying the suggestion aguycalledrichard posted above in response to my earlier posts.

jasefos wrote:Although I haven't tried it yet I'd recommend trying the suggestion aguycalledrichard posted above in response to my earlier posts.

that's all well and good, but it's only for Windows machines.
i use osx.

thanks though.

Any progress/news on getting the Yamaha O1X to behave well with Live 4 in OSX? kpop

actually, yes.

REMOTE mode works, but there are slight issues.

1. you have to map the MIDI manually (obviously).

2. you have to make certain that the MIDI OUTPUT of LIVE is set to 01x in order for the 01x [the faders] to update automatically.

3. forget about using the Pan pots (on mine at least), cause they don't send the proper message. they cause the Pan's in LIVE to bank either hard left or stay in the middle.

the fader movement is very quirky, and LIVE likes to overload when you make volume adjustments. now the drawbacks are minor, but this becomes more noticeable the more LIVE uses CPU power.

otherwise, i've got it figured and it's very cool. Hope to see TOTAL integration (like with Cubase SX) very soon.

now i'm working on setting up a Korg KONTROL49
cheers
b