What is faster, single or double click ? Piano roll adding..

Tweaking Knobs · Post by **Tweaking Knobs** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:52 pm

I mean i might just be me, but...

Who at ableton though that double clicking was a better workflow to add notes than single clicking ?

We all have 3 button mouses... The best workflow would be :

Left button = add note
Left button and drag = move note
Right button = erase
middle mouse button = pan
Scroll wheel = zoom

Ah... that would be great...

the menu you ask ? how many times in comparison to adding notes u use the menu ? 5 out of 100 ? well just put it somewhere on the sidebar as a pop up menu.

Guff Tong · Post by **Guff Tong** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:40 pm

That would be much faster....I just make one or two notes then ctrl/hold/drag to duplicate.

...ctrl/d often too.

In fact...I just use any old notes I find lying about in the clip, not too fussed how they got there

I had wee learning curve a few yrs back coming from Reason's editor (2.5) so can see the point entirely.

subsynth · Post by **subsynth** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:55 pm

what you've suggested is pretty much how FL studio handles the piano roll.

I really miss that way of doing things. I was on FL studio for over a decade before jumping on Ableton, getting used to the new piano roll has been the biggest hurdle.

duckpow · Post by **duckpow** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:02 pm

I am using cmd+b all the time to switch to single click adding. And back again when moving notes... Never really thought about any other way...

agent314 · Post by **agent314** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:30 pm

I used to like that the piano roll was so minimal, but as I've been doing more programming/sequencing and less playing, I really wish the tools were more robust than they are

I do like having a right click option right there though.

I'd love it if they added mouse thumb-button support for removing notes though - that would be awesome.

2be · Post by **2be** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:57 pm

I think this should be on the Live 9 feature list.

Tweaking Knobs · Post by **Tweaking Knobs** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:29 pm

2be wrote:I think this should be on the Live 9 feature list.

The answer its actually single click... believe it or not...

William · Post by **William** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:41 pm

subsynth wrote:what you've suggested is pretty much how FL studio handles the piano roll.

I really miss that way of doing things. I was on FL studio for over a decade before jumping on Ableton, getting used to the new piano roll has been the biggest hurdle.

+1

anamexis · Post by **anamexis** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:18 pm

What duckpow said -
Ableton already has single click note adding, just press Cmd/Ctrl+B for draw mode.

pencilrocket · Post by **pencilrocket** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:29 am

More click more combersome. Double click? no way. The behavior like Samplitude, FL provide composing express.

Evengy · Post by **Evengy** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:53 am

your suggestion is great. im using FLS too and the piano roll is alot better. draw mode is gay! im changing velocity with alt + leftclick but it isn´t possible in drawmode so i must strg + b for draw mode, drawing a note, strg + b and then alt + leftclick for velocity. or i use double click and then alt + leftclick. its fast but double click is gay too. it feels like someone is slowing down the time while im editing midi notes

kick draw mode and think about new piano roll handling. its possible to make it faster!

pencilrocket · Post by **pencilrocket** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:28 am

scutheotaku wrote:
pencilrocket wrote:More click more combersome. Double click? no way. The behavior like Samplitude, FL provide composing express.
See posts above - Ableton Live already has a single click piano roll.

Your response reveals that you didn't understand what I said. haha nice.

select multiple notes without having to switch tools (or use hotkeys),

Because Live have to change pencil with key combination.

one-mouse-button setups

yea setup

It's also much easier to place notes "off the grid" without having to turn off or modify the grid in Live.

Don't you try to remember key combination as you did ctrl+b?

Live's clip envelope system is also far better than FL Studio's pattern-based equivalent.

Fl also handles envelopes in clips in the Playist and also their clip length is also automatable with its envelope and its envelope is automatable with another automation and.. should I repeat more? Oh and you can generates LFO in both event editor and in the clip.

Changing note velocities in Live is also much quicker, thanks to the Alt - Drag and "hold left mouse button" methods.

As for quickness I prefer scale levels feature that has center, tension, multiply... Need randomize? There you go.

Evengy · Post by **Evengy** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:39 am

@scutheotaku
thanks, i will try your suggestion!

It's also much easier to place notes "off the grid" without having to turn off or modify the grid in Live

how? i turn it off with strg + 4 and i can change note lenght without turning off the grid but moving the note.... don´t know. tell me please

Tweaking Knobs · Post by **Tweaking Knobs** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:04 am

scutheotaku wrote:
pencilrocket wrote:More click more combersome. Double click? no way. The behavior like Samplitude, FL provide composing express.
See posts above - Ableton Live already has a single click piano roll.

My friend...

still like this you have to be switching in and out, in and out, in and out and oh...

one more time in ad out from onemode to the other..

2 Modes for one action : editing.

Its just faster, than having to be switching the whole time.

Piplodocus · Post by **Piplodocus** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:39 pm

We don't all have 3 button mice!

I have an apple trackpad, so it's not "only one click" but it means I have one normal click, a right click then a whole load of cunning gestures so I can flip between apps, scroll in all directions and do other very useful stuff for music production. I can't have 3 clicks though unless Apple give me access to the 3-finger tap which currently system recognised only and looks up words in the dictionary system-wide. :/ (That one's not quite so useful for music production unless I write a lyric with a word I don't understand in it!)

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