Operating in 192k

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Operating in 192k

Post by DariousBlount » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:55 am

How do run in 192k poo?

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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by Rationalizer » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:56 pm

If your audio interface supports it then just change the Live's audio preferences from 44k to 192k. Don't really know what's the point of it though.
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by regretfullySaid » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:20 pm

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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by Tarekith » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:25 pm

Yeah, no need to operate at 192kHz.

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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by 3dot... » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:27 pm

..unless you intend to "stretch" your audio a lot..
or contact dogs and dolphins or spirits...
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:53 pm

3dot... wrote:or contact dogs and dolphins or spirits...
doesn't matter, your sound card's output is band limited to 20kHz.
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by 3dot... » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:17 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
3dot... wrote:or contact dogs and dolphins or spirits...
doesn't matter, your sound card's output is band limited to 20kHz.
maybe in cd player DACs..
not all converters roll off data approaching 20KHz..asfaik..
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:18 pm

3dot... wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:
3dot... wrote:or contact dogs and dolphins or spirits...
doesn't matter, your sound card's output is band limited to 20kHz.
maybe in cd player DACs..
not all converters roll off data approaching 20KHz..asfaik..
bullshit man.

how many years have we talked about the same things over and over and you're still going on about it? I was hoping you were making a joke.
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by 3dot... » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:04 pm

I don't know man..short memory and all..
so what's the point in using 24/bit192Khz resolution then.. ?(or 96KHz for that matter)
aside from stretching it..
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by ze2be » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:11 pm

Could you metaphoricly say that audio bit rate is similare to digital picture pixel resolution, where kHz is similare to its color depth/bit rate?

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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:38 pm

ze2be wrote:Could you metaphoricly say that audio bit rate is similare to digital picture pixel resolution, where kHz is similare to its color depth/bit rate?
no. painful analogy I wouldn't want to untangle.


3dot... wrote:I don't know man..short memory and all..
so what's the point in using 24/bit192Khz resolution then.. ?(or 96KHz for that matter)
aside from stretching it..
disagree with this 'stretching' you're talking about. there are many ways to stretch audio, it depends on the algorithm used.

for me 192kHz was handy when my computer was slow, it reduced the audio latency so I could play guitar through Live.

as far as the industry goes, 192k got traction because people assumed it would be better than 96kHz. then people tried it got over the myth. 192k and 96k just aren't necessary.

ultimately my view is to keep it simple, keep it practical. use the same sample rate as often as possible, try not to use different sample rates in the same project.

check this site out
http://www.cirrus.com/en/applications/a ... APP25.html
those are key components to making a hardware audio system, you can check the specs on all the devices, see how they connect and how it all works. also check out Analog Device's site as well as Texas Instruments, who bought Burr Brown, Intersil, Maxim, AKM etc.
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by twisted-space » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:34 am

Tone Deft wrote:doesn't matter, your sound card's output is band limited to 20kHz.
Specs from my RME Babyface.

http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_babyface.php#5


Frequency response DA, -0.5 dB: 10 Hz - 22 kHz (sf 44.1 kHz)
Frequency response DA, -0.5 dB: 10 Hz – 45 kHz (sf 96 kHz)
Frequency response DA, -1 dB: 5 Hz - 80 kHz (sf 192 kHz)

Are you saying that these are incorrect?

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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by kb420 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:02 am

shadx312 wrote:That's where the spirits and Gods party!
Maybe, but if your lucky, every kid with an iPod will play your music in a compressed mp3 format.

How ironic is that?
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by Tone Deft » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:22 am

twisted-space wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:doesn't matter, your sound card's output is band limited to 20kHz.
Specs from my RME Babyface.

http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_babyface.php#5


Frequency response DA, -0.5 dB: 10 Hz - 22 kHz (sf 44.1 kHz)
Frequency response DA, -0.5 dB: 10 Hz – 45 kHz (sf 96 kHz)
Frequency response DA, -1 dB: 5 Hz - 80 kHz (sf 192 kHz)

Are you saying that these are incorrect?
:roll:

those are correct. now go check your monitors. THE WHOLE SIGNAL CHAIN NEEDS TO PASS ULTRA HIGH FREQUENCIES.

I know RME has those soundcards, I've been through this discussion many times before, someone always brings that up. I don't think 3dot has that sound card.
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Re: Operating in 192k

Post by ze2be » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:56 am

Tone Deft wrote:
twisted-space wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:doesn't matter, your sound card's output is band limited to 20kHz.
Specs from my RME Babyface.

http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_babyface.php#5


Frequency response DA, -0.5 dB: 10 Hz - 22 kHz (sf 44.1 kHz)
Frequency response DA, -0.5 dB: 10 Hz – 45 kHz (sf 96 kHz)
Frequency response DA, -1 dB: 5 Hz - 80 kHz (sf 192 kHz)

Are you saying that these are incorrect?
:roll:

those are correct. now go check your monitors. THE WHOLE SIGNAL CHAIN NEEDS TO PASS ULTRA HIGH FREQUENCIES.

I know RME has those soundcards, I've been through this discussion many times before, someone always brings that up. I don't think 3dot has that sound card.
My Genelecs has max 18kHz output. So is the only benefit of higher kHz that you just add frequencies abowe the range of what humans can hear, and most monitors can output?

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