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Hey,

I want to know if this is possible:

I have a UA Apollo interface which allows you listen and record in realtime using its Console Application, regardless of the buffer setting in your DAW.

I have big mixes with soft synths, lots of channels, which equates to a large buffer size. I write electronic music and record new guitar parts usually until the track is completed. The way I did it before I owned the Apollo was once the buffer got too big, I would mute the recording track (so the latency wouldn't ruin my playing). I know its not the best way, but it works for me. The last resort would be to bounce the track into another session, then record the parts with a very low buffer then import them back in.

I was hoping that with Apollo's low latency recording, I could mute the Ableton track and record with realtime playback into Live. I technically can of course, but every time I record something in I have to correct it with the Track Delay as it records the lateness of the buffer setting. Is there any way to avoid doing this for every track recorded in? It would be acceptable if I kept the buffer at the same sample, so the Track Delay would always be the same (eg. -80ms for 1024samples) but I usually change the buffer size for the optimum response time (as the song gets bigger). It just means I am guessing the millisecond timing for everything - I would prefer it being in time in the first place!

I've messed around with the Driver Error Compensation, but it hasn't solved my problem.

Feel free to ask me any questions, any help or guidance is seriously appreciated.

Thanks
Stuart

Hi there,

muting the track is not enough. You have to turn monitoring off in the i/o options of every track that you record to. The timing will be just fine than

Cheers,

harald

Harald, can you please clarify further? You may have just solved a lot of timing problems I have when trying to sequence/record my hardware synths and using intensive plugins, not to mention the fact that UAD plug ins do not support PDC when using automation or a midi controller to record automation.

Any more insight you could give would be brilliant

Hi Stuart,

strangely ableton does not correct its own latency when monitoring is on. Like when you work at 10 ms latency and monitor thru live, ableton says that you hear the latency and correct it while playing. When you turn monitoring off (what you should do when monitoring thru the apollo then lives pushes the recorded file 10 ms earlier and hereby compensates the latency. Probably this would be the expected behavior.

Sadly i don't know a DAW (i know logic, live and pro tools) that does latency compensation for automation But one fine day ......
So one the last UAD plug in your chain will receive the automation with a good timing. the plugs before you will maybe compensate the automation yourself...

Cheers,

harald

Hey Harold,

thanks for your help. I was wondering what you meant by "ableton says that you hear the latency and correct it while playing."? For some reason, Live doesn't compensate for any latency. Are you saying that if you turn off monitoring in Live (and track through Console/Apollo) it should automatically correct the latency? I am not near my music computer so I can't test right now but I have been muting armed/record tracks instead of turning monitoring off in the i/o options for each channel as you suggested. I will try this first.

Cheers
Stuart