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Lies which last 90 years long, ableton sent it to me...

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:02 am
by John Daminato
Did anyone get an email from support@ableton about Jewish history? I did and I can't understand why they sent it.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:20 am
by BinaryB
I just bought a new PC ...

I TRIED TO UNLOCK 4.1.2

it said i had

"exceeded my unlock limit"

I emailed support@ableton.com
asking them what to do...

Ableton "support" replied with this email

HERE IS A COPY FOR YOU TO VIEW
8O


<Subject>:Lies which last 90 years long

<Body>

Lies which last 90 years long



&#8220;There was only one real genocide known, the genocide of the Jewish
people.

But we are too proud to make a show of our tragedy&#8221;.

Head of USA Jewish community



We want you to know about the false Armenian allegations that last since the down
of 20th century. Having read these materials you will be able to make conclusion
regarding Armenian &#8220;genocide&#8221;.



1) The generally accepted version of the history of the Anatolian Armenians from
1912 to 1922 has been little questioned. In fact, the story of the Anatolian
Armenians is one of the few bits of Middle Eastern history that is widely
"known" in Europe and America. Brought up on stories of starving
Armenians, Westerners have taken as given that the Armenians were driven from
Armenia -a land in which Armenians were the chief inhabitants- and accepted
without proof that Armenians were slaughtered by Turks who, while not suffering
themselves, got away with their crimes. Perhaps because so many people have
previously accepted this story, few today have questioned its validity

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm35eng.php





2) The evidence seems exceptionally thin. The Government's relocation decree
was a wartime measure inspired by national self-preservation, neither aimed at
Armenians generally (those outside sensitive war territory were left undisturbed)
nor with the goal of death by relocation hardships and hazards. The Ottoman
government issued unambiguous orders to protect and feed Armenians during their
relocation ordeal, but were unable because of war emergencies on three fronts and
war shortages affecting the entire population to insure their proper execution.

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm37eng.php



3) Without going into minute but nevertheless meaningful details, I may summarize
the evidence as pointing to the assertion that the Andonian "documents"
are fake. The "documents", first printed as early as 1920, have been
utilized by certain circles as "proof" of deep Ottoman Government
involvement in the loss of life of Armenians in 1915. Aram Andonian was a
hitherto-unknown Armenian who allegedly received those manuscripts (including the
assumed orders of Talat Pasha) from a minor Ottoman official called Naim Bey,
working in the Rehabilitation Office in Aleppo, Syria. The work based on them was
published in Paris, London and Boston. The recent Turkish publication treats each
and every so-called "document" painstakingly in terms of both form and
content and offers the suggestion that they are counterfeit. The fabrication of
fraudulent documents is not uncommon in history. The falsity of "Hitler
diaries" was lately proven within a matter of weeks. The so called
"Zinoviev te!
legram", that had created a public stir in England in the early
1920&#8217;s, is now accepted as a forgery.

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm39eng.php

4) Upon this, the question of Turkish prisoners at Malta was discussed, for the
first time, at the British Cabinet. At the same time the Law Officers of the Crown
were consulted on the subject. The Law Officers informed the Cabinet by a
memorandum dated 4th August 1920 that they were dealing only with few Turkish
deportees accused of ill-treatment of British prisoners of war. No material or
evidence ever existed about alleged Armenian massacre. Therefore, the Law Officers
of the Crown abstained from accusing anyone of Turkish deportees of such a crime

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm34eng.php





5) They even carried the terror to the college campuses, ravishing the sanctified
atmosphere of the higher-learning institutions. The American historians who
refused to share the distorted Armenian version of history were targeted for
harassment and threat. The Turkish History professor Stanford Shaw of U.C.L.A. was
one of them, and on October 3, 1977, the Armenian bullies threw a bomb, and blew
up the front portion of his house. He and his family had to leave the campus under
a death threat.

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm33eng.php

6) It's probably unnecessary to remind readers that the contrary view
maintained by Turkish historians and by many other historians of the modern Middle
East is that although massacres of the Ottoman Armenians undoubtedly took place,
the available evidence suggests that those chiefly responsible were local Kurdish
tribes and Armenian Dashnak brigands and that there was some connivance even
participation by local Ottoman officials, but that the central Ottoman government
did not order or plan the 1915 massacres; what it did was to order the deportation
of Armenians from areas made sensitive by the progress of the war without adequate
arrangements for their transport, food or security. The question is: has Dadrian
produced sufficient new evidence to turn the debate decisively in favour of the
view that the massacres were planned by the Ottoman government with a view to the
extinction of the Ottoman Armenians?

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm32eng.php

7) We hear a great deal about the deportation of Armenians from the Northeast of
Turkey during the World War. The facts are that the Turks sent an army to the
Russian border to defend their country against the threatened Russian invasion.
The army consisted of Turkish subjects of all nationalities, being drafted just as
ours are drafted. At the front the Armenians used blank cartridges and deserted in
droves. This was bad enough, but the Armenians were not satisfied with this form
of treachery. The provinces in rear of the army had a large Armenian population,
and these people, feeling that there was an excellent chance of the Russians
defeating the Turks, decided to make it a certainty by rising up in the rear of
the army and cutting it off from its base of supplies. Let me draw a parallel
imaginary case&#8230;

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/articls/artc028eng.htm

8) He is constantly reporting "atrocities" by Turks which never occurred
and giving endless misinformation with regard to the situation in Armenia and in
Turkey. We do not like to come out and attack him in public. That would injure the
whole cause we are all trying to serve, because people would say that we are
quarreling among ourselves and would lose confidence in the whole concern. We are
therefore trying to keep controversial matters out and only keep before the public
the actual needs in Armenia.

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm31eng.php

9) According to McCarthy's research, there were more Armenians in Ankara than
in Harput. Under these conditions, it is impossible to talk of an Armenia in
Anatolia on account of the principle of self-determination. This being the case, a
researcher inevitably feels the need to investigate whether or not some enmity
against Armenians in the Ottoman Empire may have had an impact on the development
of a national consciousness in this people in the 19th century, an influence
similar to the impact of anti-Semitism on the rise of Zionism in Europe.

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm21eng.htm

10) Armenian revolutionaries seized the city of Van from the Ottoman government on
13 and 14 April 1915 and held it against besieging Ottoman troops who had been
quickly brought up from Bitlis and the Russian front. The Russians took advantage
of the revolt. Against the lightly held Ottoman frontier, they sent a force made
up of Armenian volunteer units (approximately 4,000 Armenians, mainly from the
Caucasus), Armenian guerilla units (from the Caucasus and Anatolia), and a brigade
of Red Cossacks. By the middle of May, these forces had reached Van and were
threatening Bitlis. When the Ottoman forces besieging Van withdrew to concentrate
on the defense of Bitlis, the Russian units entered Van (31 May 1915). They were
deliriously welcomed by the local Armenian population&#8230;

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm18eng.htm

11) I never thought that a professional historian could refuse to respond to a
question which falls within my expertise. I told them that the issue is not
whether the massacres happened or not, but rather if these massacres were as a
result of a deliberate preconceived decision of the Turkish government. I told
them that there is no evidence for such a decision. The attempt to deal with such
doubts through courts and libel cases did not cause these historians to change
their minds".

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm17eng.htm

12) The Russians could promise many benefits to the Armenians. Those who sided
with the Russians could hope for better economic conditions as part of a European
empire. Like other Middle Eastern peoples, the primary identification of the
Armenians was religious. They were convinced of the superiority and ultimate
triumph of their Christian faith, and the opportunity to side with a great
Christian power was seductive. Perhaps later there would be a chance for
independence&#8230;

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm20eng.htm



13) The situation was exacerbated by rebellions of Armenian Dashnak
revolutionaries in the 1890s in which cities in Eastern Anatolia were seized and
many Muslims and Armenians were killed. Intercommunal warfare between Turks and
Armenians in Azerbaijan during the Russian Revolution of 1905 added to the
peoples' distrust of each other. Muslims and Armenians were now divided into
sides, antagonists. Each group believed that in a war they would be killed if they
did not kill first, a classic self-fulfilling prophecy. Most Muslims and most
Armenians had no wish to be a part of this, but they were caught in the awful
consequences of their expectations and their history.

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm16eng.htm

14) Protocols of documents and interrogations of eyewitnesses reaffirm that
contributing to all the atrocities were Armenian intellectuals who involved
dishonest and shameless Russian and Armenian soldiers in these abominable
offences. Tens of documents are available to corroborate the fact that Armenian
intelligentsia and church took an active part in incinerating and defiling corpses
of Moslems. A marvelous building of Baku - "Ismailiyya" was burned down,
printing - house of "Achyg sez" newspaper destroyed, most residents left
the city and, in quest of safe place, had to move to Central Asia and Iran.
Following the Baku assault, Menshevik (anticommunist) "Nash golos"
(&#8220;Our voice&#8221;) newspaper wrote: "There were burnt human
corpses in heaps and separately scattered all over".

>>> http://karabakh-doc.gen.az/ru/armyanstvo/arm9.htm

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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:44 am
by AdamJay
yea guys the forum/site got hacked.
have a look at the rest of the threads on this 1st page of the General section.

im sure it will get sorted in a few hours when the site goes down.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:11 am
by ishimaru
word. Hax0red. lol

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:40 am
by Boxerfresse
me too..... me arrived this E-mail this morning !

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:40 pm
by tom b.
Boxerfresse wrote:me too..... me arrived this E-mail this morning !
yeah, i got one too.........didnt know what was going on!!!

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:52 pm
by sqook
Ouch, phpBB gets hacked a lot these days, it seems. Although usually, people use it for much less subversive ends.

At least the board looks much nicer now. :)