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maky355 wrote:I can't grasp why they don't allow us to use windows folder shortcuts and why oh why we can't simply stop indexing??

Just make it optional ON, or OFF and be done with it..Everyone pleased..

skatr2 wrote:

maky355 wrote:I can't grasp why they don't allow us to use windows folder shortcuts and why oh why we can't simply stop indexing??

Just make it optional ON, or OFF and be done with it..Everyone pleased..

hate to break it to you but they already started this is not an option.

drez wrote:

maky355 wrote:I can't grasp why they don't allow us to use windows folder shortcuts and why oh why we can't simply stop indexing??

Just make it optional ON, or OFF and be done with it..Everyone pleased..

I'm just guessing, but I would assume its because...they can't

IMO, Ableton made a decision to move to the embedded database for browsing. Period. They did not architect the new browser to accept the previous method of browsing. It is "wired", if you will, to the database. The UI, the underlying methods to retrieve this file locations in Live and display them to you, etc. Its just not there. There's no "switch" to flip. They would have to re-architect and re-code the browser, something that would take a considerable time and resources. Architecture changes and these decisions happened months ago and they take months to change.

They also probably realized during the beta period that they had some massive tuning issues with the embedded database/data model/indexing structure/sql configuration/etc when people with large sample libraries had to insert data into the database. A business decision had to be made:

1. Ableton believes in the new database architecture and feel with proper tuning they can get through these data loading issues.
2. They have to delay the release and rewrite/rearchitect the browser and file management to work in Live 9 like Live 8.
3. A hybrid solution: They tune the database now to alleviate most of the issues with speed and design a way to integrate a Live 8 "like" method of browsing within the Live 9 architecture to fix workflow issues for certain users that like the previous browsing methods.

I think they are going with 3.

Live 9.0.3b1 just came out and the release notes say that they have a bugfix for scanning folders containing a huge amout of files ould take longer than necessary. I think they have changed the way they bulk load data into the database (there are a ton of ways, and well documented ways, to optimize this process). This is a quick win for them (if it works) and then they can focus on rewriting some portions to help with workflow issues.

Just spit ballin

androids wrote:

drez wrote:

maky355 wrote:I can't grasp why they don't allow us to use windows folder shortcuts and why oh why we can't simply stop indexing??

Just make it optional ON, or OFF and be done with it..Everyone pleased..

I'm just guessing, but I would assume its because...they can't

IMO, Ableton made a decision to move to the embedded database for browsing. Period. They did not architect the new browser to accept the previous method of browsing. It is "wired", if you will, to the database. The UI, the underlying methods to retrieve this file locations in Live and display them to you, etc. Its just not there. There's no "switch" to flip. They would have to re-architect and re-code the browser, something that would take a considerable time and resources. Architecture changes and these decisions happened months ago and they take months to change.

They also probably realized during the beta period that they had some massive tuning issues with the embedded database/data model/indexing structure/sql configuration/etc when people with large sample libraries had to insert data into the database. A business decision had to be made:

1. Ableton believes in the new database architecture and feel with proper tuning they can get through these data loading issues.
2. They have to delay the release and rewrite/rearchitect the browser and file management to work in Live 9 like Live 8.
3. A hybrid solution: They tune the database now to alleviate most of the issues with speed and design a way to integrate a Live 8 "like" method of browsing within the Live 9 architecture to fix workflow issues for certain users that like the previous browsing methods.

I think they are going with 3.

Live 9.0.3b1 just came out and the release notes say that they have a bugfix for scanning folders containing a huge amout of files ould take longer than necessary. I think they have changed the way they bulk load data into the database (there are a ton of ways, and well documented ways, to optimize this process). This is a quick win for them (if it works) and then they can focus on rewriting some portions to help with workflow issues.

Just spit ballin

The solution is plain simple : continue indexing in the background but allow to browse the whole structure even if background indexer has not finished its work ...

If ableton stops at that bugfix :
"Scanning folders containing a huge amount of files could take longer than necessary"

then they are just missing the important point.

drez wrote:

maky355 wrote: 1. Ableton believes in the new database architecture and feel with proper tuning they can get through these data loading issues.
2. They have to delay the release and rewrite/rearchitect the browser and file management to work in Live 9 like Live 8.
3. A hybrid solution: They tune the database now to alleviate most of the issues with speed and design a way to integrate a Live 8 "like" method of browsing within the Live 9 architecture to fix workflow issues for certain users that like the previous browsing methods.
I think they are going with 3.

pencilrocket wrote:You can keep using 8. Why 9 or Switch immediately?

androids wrote:

pencilrocket wrote:You can keep using 8. Why 9 or Switch immediately?

64 bits and Push ...

H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.

androids wrote: The solution is plain simple : continue indexing in the background but allow to browse the whole structure even if background indexer has not finished its work ...

If ableton stops at that bugfix :
"Scanning folders containing a huge amount of files could take longer than necessary"

then they are just missing the important point.

sp0bjogu wrote:

H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.

Link, or it didn't happen.

sp0bjogu wrote:

H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.

Link, or it didn't happen.

drez wrote:

sp0bjogu wrote:

H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.

Link, or it didn't happen.

Here

su wrote:

sp0bjogu wrote:

H20nly wrote:yeah, it was in this very thread... explained by Ableton staff.

there were multiple posts about it, if i'm not mistaken.

Link, or it didn't happen.

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