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step sequencing non-drums

Post by Forge. » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:53 pm

I just got mine today! yay!

I really wish I could step sequence for not just drums, so I tried using a drum rack and setting the receive note to "all" but the problem is whenever I hit a note it loses focus on the instrument so I can't easily change presets or parameters then I can't get it back without clicking with the mouse

I'd love it if we could have more step sequence options

likewise, I was a bit disappointed at the limitations with recording and editing normal MIDI - maybe I've missed something, but if you get one note wrong it seems you have to re-record the whole clip - is that right? the step sequencing at least allows you to change individual notes

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Re: step sequencing non-drums

Post by aioffermann » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:02 am

Forge. wrote:I just got mine today! yay!

I really wish I could step sequence for not just drums, so I tried using a drum rack and setting the receive note to "all" but the problem is whenever I hit a note it loses focus on the instrument so I can't easily change presets or parameters then I can't get it back without clicking with the mouse

I'd love it if we could have more step sequence options

likewise, I was a bit disappointed at the limitations with recording and editing normal MIDI - maybe I've missed something, but if you get one note wrong it seems you have to re-record the whole clip - is that right? the step sequencing at least allows you to change individual notes
When you say the step sequencing allows you to change individual notes, do you mean that you have to delete that note, hit the next drum pad and then enter it again? Or have you figured out a way to change the note some other way?

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Re: step sequencing non-drums

Post by Forge. » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:59 am

you have to hit different drum pads and sequence the notes individually, and the auto select button on the drum rack has to be enabled so that you can select different pads/notes to sequence them

because you have to set the rack to "all notes" it means there is no actual pad that the device is associated with, which of course then means you can't use the browse button to change sounds or access any of the device's parameters from push without re-selecting it with the mouse

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Re: step sequencing non-drums

Post by Rosko » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:25 pm

I imagine this may come about through m4l. Seems like ableton are not bothered by such a feature.

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Post by aioffermann » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:22 pm

Rosko wrote:I imagine this may come about through m4l. Seems like ableton are not bothered by such a feature.
What makes you think they're not interested in it?

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Post by Rosko » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:33 pm

aioffermann wrote:
Rosko wrote:I imagine this may come about through m4l. Seems like ableton are not bothered by such a feature.
What makes you think they're not interested in it?
Maybe to say 'not interested' is wrong but I just think they would already of sat round a table & considered it & for what ever reason have decided not to include it. I may be wrong but i tend to get the impression ableton are reluctant to go back when a decision is made like this.

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Post by Forge. » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:40 pm

well in this context all that is needed is a way to make it so that you can still use instruments in drum racks set to "all ins"

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Post by SuburbanThug » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:10 pm

I think it's part of their whole "it's an instrument" spiel. I liked to step sequence mainly in the past but I'm finding recording with quantization to be useful, finally. It's encouraged me to use Push as an instrument and since I got it I've been doing more "practicing" than writing. It seems I may have finally found an instrument I can play along with other musicians with. Definitely going to have to edit midi recordings but this is not so bad after spending so long drawing in notes on the piano roll.

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Re: step sequencing non-drums

Post by humnumb » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:15 pm

Rosko wrote:I imagine this may come about through m4l. Seems like ableton are not bothered by such a feature.
Yeah, it seems like theyre content to rely on the users to pay more money to buy m4l and learn to fix the Push's shortcomings for them.

This is what Gerhard said in his recent kvr interview:
With Push there is an API that Max connects to and can hijack whatever elements of the Push the user wants and re-purpose them in a way that they design. It could be completely proprietary. A lot of people will make a Max patch for one show or one installation rather than making a generic tool. They are fixing one situation. It remains to be seen. We don't know.

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Post by SuburbanThug » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:22 pm

Oh, gawd. Not a sandbox for the user. That's just terrible! That means it can retain it's stock functionality and have added functionality. Oh, my poor little head is spinning. I can't wrap my head around this. I just want the program to write my music for me and the hardware to be anything I can dream up. It better not cost more than 500-600 dollars though. Then I'm out.

Max4Live? More like Max4Bullshit. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat. I just want to ride my motorcycle.

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Re: step sequencing non-drums

Post by Rosko » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:31 pm

I definitely think m4l is a great thing & i'm looking forward to what gets developed, just core features like browser I would expect ableton to sort without some m4l hack. Would of been nice to have a step seq for instruments but should not be too hard to do it through m4l.

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Re: step sequencing non-drums

Post by Asymmetricalmusic » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:43 pm

I hate the M4L Answer!

You hear me Gerhard?

I hate your M4L!

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Post by humnumb » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:46 pm

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