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drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:27 pm
by sinkysaurus
Hi pals.

After spending a while processing a kick drum sound that I wanted, I opened up a drum rack, and dropped this bass kick sound into it. However, when I play my kick sound through the drum rack it doesn't sound as good.


My plan was to shape a few drum sounds individually and drop them all into drum rack. I don't understand the drop in quality,its quite frustrating! Anyone know what's going on here/ what I can do?

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:02 pm
by snugsound
Can you define "loss of sound quality"? The default Simpler preset for Drum Racks is a bit illogical--the release time is quite short, the Volume is -12db, and the "Vel" (Velocity sensitivity) is set to 0%.

In other words, your sample is likely playing at a much lower level than you'd like, and potentially getting cut off early as a result of the short release time. Play with these 3 values until you find something that works for you, and then save them your settings as the default Simpler preset: https://www.ableton.com/answers/drum-racks-presets

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:25 pm
by chapelier fou
Did you resample the Kick passing through FXs before dropping it into a drum rack ?

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:00 pm
by Tone Deft
louder is perceived as sounding better, especially with kicks.

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:09 pm
by snugsound
Image ... :D

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:32 pm
by sinkysaurus
Right I see! I'll go and mess with the settings in the drum rack, try and get it sorted that way! I'll let you know if it works!

Thanks for the help!

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:26 am
by Jack McOck
Don't forget, in Live 9 you can save default settings for all devices. So once you've found a decent starting point for Simpler, simply right click the device title bar and "Save as default preset".

Toodles.

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:41 am
by LeifonMars
These odd default settings of simpler and sampler have been causing confusion and a lot of bollocks about inferior sound quality among noobs for a decade now. I don't understand why Ableton won't change the default settings.

Re: drum rack/loss of sound quality??!

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:47 am
by Jack McOck
They have in Live 9. Well, to be fair, they've made them even worse—Simpler now has the filter turned on by default. But like I said, you can change it.