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hello,

if i mute a midi track which sends notes to my Virus TI plugin, the notes which currently play are not cut off in the moment i mute the track. this results in hanging notes, which is super annoying. is this some special setting of the track or so? cut all notes on mute or such thing?

i could work this out with a midi effect, but for my live setup its pretty important that i can use the normal mute buttons which push provides. switching to another layout to control midi effects all the time is a no go.

thanks for any help!

what is your track setup? is the Virus plug on the MIDI track, or in another track?

and is the audio from the Virus track being sent to any other tracks for fx processing, e.g. a return track with reverb?

the virus ti plugin is on its own (midi) track, which only plays the audio from the plugin. the midi clips which play the notes are on a few separate midi tracks and send their midi notes to the virus track on different channels.

i only mute the midi channels with the midi clips. but if i do that the note(s) which is currently playing is hanging.
sometimes this is not a problem if the sound has short decay times. but pads and similar sounds just keep playing the last note(s).

by 'hanging' do you mean that they never stop? if so that will be because you are stopping the MIDI between a note on and a note off message.

fishmonkey wrote:by 'hanging' do you mean that they never stop? if so that will be because you are stopping the MIDI between a note on and a note off message.

Indeed.

But do you not think it would good idea if Live actually sent a 'note off' or 'all notes off' message so that you wouldn't get hung notes when you muted a midi track. This has certainly been on my wish list for some time.

Synthbuilder wrote:

fishmonkey wrote:by 'hanging' do you mean that they never stop? if so that will be because you are stopping the MIDI between a note on and a note off message.

Indeed.

But do you not think it would good idea if Live actually sent a 'note off' or 'all notes off' message so that you wouldn't get hung notes when you muted a midi track. This has certainly been on my wish list for some time.

exactly, that's what i mean... if notes are playing, they have to be cut off. so the corresponding note off message to all playing notes should be sent when you enable the mute button. every hardware groovebox i know does it like that, and it was what i expected.

at least it should be an optional setting. the way it is right now is just not practical for live situations.

Since the start of the MIDI era hanging notes are considered as a broken implementation, or a hardware problem, like a bad cable or unplugging something while playing.

I think I could built a workaround with some Max4Live device quite easily, you would append it to the end of your MIDI effects chain for any track you need this functionality, it would monitor the track's Mute status and flush out Note Offs for any active notes on Mute activated. It then would work as expected.

It should also work with an External MIDI Instrument, you would just put the NoteFLushOnMute MIDI device right in front of it.

Marcus