Trotsky no longer socially relevant?
Trotsky no longer socially relevant?
In the the old days people listened to what Mr. T had to say. Now everybody is obsessed with terrorism. Hell, the War on Terror basically is the Cold War 2.0.
I guess he couldn't complete, despite his pleas that they let him do his thang...
I guess he couldn't complete, despite his pleas that they let him do his thang...
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Completely irrelevant. William Beveridge is still relevant.
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And dont forget Harold L. Ickes. Still relevant as well.
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He was a brilliant writer (his history of the russian revolution is a riveting read )and man of great integrity.
He was also a creature of his time: when it was easy to imagine that society could be rationally transformed if you could just get the theory and strategy right.
It was a kind of politics that was hugely authoritarian; in the end there was very little difference between Trotsky's thought and Lenin's; both of them had very simplistic notions about the role of a vanguard party who could decide for all of society what was right.
After his murder by Stalin he became the patron saint of lost causes.
My impression over the years that attracted a particularly arrogant and lost kind of revolution-nerd. People who despised everyone else's politics, but who had no idea of how politics really worked, no shred of humility, and very little commitment to democratic process.
Worst of all, they have kept Marxist thought stuck in the 19th century. With their commitment to 'Marxism-Leninism' (Moxam-Lennam, as I call it for short) they have tended to resist critical thinking on the theoretical left and have thus pretty much insured that they are irrelevant
There is still a lot of relevance today in Marxist thought. But not in the Trotskyist / Leninist version of it...
He was also a creature of his time: when it was easy to imagine that society could be rationally transformed if you could just get the theory and strategy right.
It was a kind of politics that was hugely authoritarian; in the end there was very little difference between Trotsky's thought and Lenin's; both of them had very simplistic notions about the role of a vanguard party who could decide for all of society what was right.
After his murder by Stalin he became the patron saint of lost causes.
My impression over the years that attracted a particularly arrogant and lost kind of revolution-nerd. People who despised everyone else's politics, but who had no idea of how politics really worked, no shred of humility, and very little commitment to democratic process.
Worst of all, they have kept Marxist thought stuck in the 19th century. With their commitment to 'Marxism-Leninism' (Moxam-Lennam, as I call it for short) they have tended to resist critical thinking on the theoretical left and have thus pretty much insured that they are irrelevant
There is still a lot of relevance today in Marxist thought. But not in the Trotskyist / Leninist version of it...
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Re: Trotsky no longer socially relevant?
And thus FnF's character was slain.
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I was thinking of ppl I had met IRL...
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People who despised everyone else's politics, but who had no idea of how politics really worked, no shred of humility, and very little commitment to democratic process.
Worst of all, they have kept Marxist thought stuck in the 19th century. With their commitment to 'Marxism-Leninism' (Moxam-Lennam, as I call it for short) they have tended to resist critical thinking on the theoretical left and have thus pretty much insured that they are irrelevant.
You're seriously not describing Funken here?
Worst of all, they have kept Marxist thought stuck in the 19th century. With their commitment to 'Marxism-Leninism' (Moxam-Lennam, as I call it for short) they have tended to resist critical thinking on the theoretical left and have thus pretty much insured that they are irrelevant.
You're seriously not describing Funken here?
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Funk N. Furter wrote:Funk N. no longer socially relevant
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Galt wrote:People who despised everyone else's politics, but who had no idea of how politics really worked, no shred of humility, and very little commitment to democratic process.
Worst of all, they have kept Marxist thought stuck in the 19th century. With their commitment to 'Marxism-Leninism' (Moxam-Lennam, as I call it for short) they have tended to resist critical thinking on the theoretical left and have thus pretty much insured that they are irrelevant.
You're seriously not describing Funken here?
I tend to stay out of the Marxism / capitalism discussion threads on this forum. So I have not really been tracking who says what.
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What, there's other threads here?The Finn wrote: I tend to stay out of the Marxism / capitalism discussion threads on this forum. So I have not really been tracking who says what.
Re: Trotsky no longer socially relevant?
Shhhh!, don't wake the fuckers up.
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the fucker said.crofter wrote:Shhhh!, don't wake the fuckers up.
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In the years 1999-2002 i had a job on the other side of the city. I travelled by metro. There is this station "henk sneevlietweg". I always wondered who henk sneevliet was, but never looked it up. Then yesterday, I was reading some essays by trotsky, and you wont believe, yes, henk sneevliet. trotsky addressed a letter to him.
You see, in some case he is still relevant.
You see, in some case he is still relevant.
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I pity the fools.Galt wrote:In the the old days people listened to what Mr. T had to say.