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So is this just about asking questions, FnF? Or are others also allowed to venture their opinions in here?

Where is the expert I was promised?
This is a swindel!!!
The other thread didn't have one either, but at least it kept its promise with the penguins.

Ok, I have some socialism questions.

Number 1.

Under Socialism Pro (not to be confused with the European style Socialism Lite), everything would be allocated by need, correct?

So for a couple living in a small flat, the only way to upgrade their home would be to pump out a few children. Would this not encourage a surge in birth rates on an already overpopulated planet?

Question number 2: What if I desperately need 2kg of heroin, or a black-market dealer is gonna fuck me up?

Marx was a really revolutionary (no pun intended) scientist in the social sciences. He uncovered structures in society that were not obvious at the time. His Kapital, should be considered as important as Darwins "On the origin if species" or Newtons "Principia Mathematica".
To bad he also had to write the Communist Manifesto, which is not scientifically founded and nothing more than a political program (whith a lot of side effects he did not account for)

TomViolenz wrote:Marx was a really revolutionary (no pun intended) scientist in the social sciences. He uncovered structures in society that were not obvious at the time. His Kapital, should be considered as important as Darwins "On the origin if species" or Newtons "Principia Mathematica".
To bad he also had to write the Communist Manifesto, which is not scientifically founded and nothing more than a political program (whith a lot of side effects he did not account for)

"Too bad"...

andydes wrote:Ok, I have some socialism questions.

Number 1.

Under Socialism Pro (not to be confused with the European style Socialism Lite), everything would be allocated by need, correct?

So for a couple living in a small flat, the only way to upgrade their home would be to pump out a few children. Would this not encourage a surge in birth rates on an already overpopulated planet?

Yes it did in East Germany (I grew up there), but to frame it in the overpopulation debate is not meaningful because.
1: East Germany had replacement dynamics in demographics,
2: overpopulation is mainly a poverty, education and womens rights thing.

On all those things the "real existing socialist" countries had a very good track record.

Galt wrote:Question number 2: What if I desperately need 2kg of heroin, or a black-market dealer is gonna fuck me up?

There were no drugs in East Germany (I'm not kidding)
It was partly a result of the ever present surveilance state (Let's hope the US is not taking advice here ) and partly because in a country where drugs don't really grow well, they would have to be imported. Which in a locked country like the GDR was hard, and the currency was not strong enough for anyone with access to bother.
There was a lot of alcoholism and (medical)drug misuse though.

Funk N. Furter wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:

andydes wrote:Ok, I have some socialism questions.

Number 1.

Under Socialism Pro (not to be confused with the European style Socialism Lite), everything would be allocated by need, correct?

So for a couple living in a small flat, the only way to upgrade their home would be to pump out a few children. Would this not encourage a surge in birth rates on an already overpopulated planet?

Yes it did in East Germany (I grew up there), but to frame it in the overpopulation debate is not meaningful because.
1: East Germany had replacement dynamics in demographics,
2: overpopulation is mainly a poverty, education and womens rights thing.

On all those things the "real existing socialist" countries had a very good track record.

What "real socialist countries"?

Yes 'overpopulation' (high birth rate) is a poverty phenomenon, i.e. a capitalist one.

That's a term people here (east germany) use to seperate the existing sytem of the past from real socialism. I'm pretty sure you would aprove of this distinction.
I do admit it does not translate well.

TomViolenz wrote:There were no drugs in East Germany (I'm not kidding)

And then you wonder why I hate socialism

Seriously though, you coulda had done grown weed. And all the cool kids know that weed is cool...

docprosper wrote: "Too bad"...

DUDE! This is getting really annoying! You guys should decide if you want to have discussions with people from all over the world (who went through the trouble to learn your language) or want to make this a pure American/English forum just as myrnova complained!
(On the board of a German company no less )
You have no idea how jingoist this makes you look...

Galt wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:There were no drugs in East Germany (I'm not kidding)

And then you wonder why I hate socialism

Seriously though, you coulda had done grown weed. And all the cool kids know that weed is cool...

I'm sure some was around, but not much at all! don't forget the surveilance state! And the punishments were severe!

But in a way I did not give you a good answer. Funken would (rightly) insist, that these countries were not really socialist and even if they were, this policy is not immanent to the sytem.