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(micro) manipulation on timing / groove

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:47 pm
by distorson
hi
i'm using live 9 standard.

when i created a beat and its playing i would like to be able to change the timing / the groove / the feeling in very tiny / subtle way. To work in a session or performance with it.
i would like to route something which is able to do small changes on one or two knobs, but all the elements i thought about are not "mapable".
one idea was, if i extracted a groove i could change the percentage of timing, quantize and random - but i didn't found a way to map this elements.
another idea was, if i work with a drum rack i could select all midinotes in the clip - or some of them - and set the grit to a very small amount. Using the two markers above the midi notes to strech or compress the selected notes. But i can't figure out how to map that two markers.
Another idea just came to my mind, but i didn't had the time to try it yet. Having two identical clips. Changing one in the timing / feeling and than set the first one on A and the other one on B from the crossfader. And than blend between them.
That version is makeable, but i asume a bit less spontaneous than i had it in mind.

If someone of you guys have a solution, i didn't thought about, or knows a way to realize one of my ideas, i would be very thankfull for an answer :)
Thanks Hendrik

Re: (micro) manipulation on timing / groove

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:05 pm
by chapelier fou
did you check the "groove pool" ?

Re: (micro) manipulation on timing / groove

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:28 pm
by distorson
hey,
sure, to work with the groove area in ableton was what i meant by "extracted a groove and change the percentage of timing, quantize and random" but the only parameter i can map to a knob in the groove pool area is the global intensity. of course i can work with different grooves, but to change between them it is still necessary to change manually.

or did i got your question wrong? let me know, if you had something in mind which i didn't got. :)

Re: (micro) manipulation on timing / groove

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:58 pm
by yur2die4
Yeah!! I wish you could change them via midi. It'd be epic.

9.1.2 request.

Re: (micro) manipulation on timing / groove

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:03 pm
by regretfullySaid
You could use a simple delay on 100%, link the l/r and turn off the sync, then use the clip envelope to loop the time between 1 ms to i dunno...10ms?

If you have M4L you can use the LFO tool instead of envelope.