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Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:36 am
by maxiedaniels
Comping is the only thing stopping me from switching to Ableton these days. I've been telling my music friends about how Ableton is amazing except for lacking comping, and everyone's response: "What do you mean it doesn't have comping? How has there never been a comping feature added?"

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:45 pm
+1

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:54 pm
by Udo Behm
I've asked for that too. Would love to play Yamaha Styles in Live: http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=207669

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:38 pm
by Stromkraft
EDIT ** Language issue. Sorry about that.**

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:43 pm
by Angstrom
Stromkraft wrote:
maxiedaniels wrote:Comping is the only thing stopping me from switching to Ableton these days. I've been telling my music friends about how Ableton is amazing except for lacking comping, and everyone's response: "What do you mean it doesn't have comping? How has there never been a comping feature added?"
It's an Ableton product, not a Casio or Yamaha. Comping? Pffft!

Ever tried making your own?
U best be trollin 8O
One of the most widely used production techniques to get one great final take of just about any performance is to compile a master track of the best bits and pieces from a number of previous takes. This process, known as “comping” (which is short for “compilation”), has become a standard tool of producers and engineers everywhere.
http://www.uaudio.com/blog/studio-basics-vocal-comping/

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:56 pm
by Stromkraft
Angstrom wrote:
One of the most widely used production techniques to get one great final take of just about any performance is to compile a master track of the best bits and pieces from a number of previous takes. This process, known as “comping” (which is short for “compilation”), has become a standard tool of producers and engineers everywhere.
I was misunderstanding the term. I was thinking (auto) accompaniment. This is sometimes shortened in my language to something like "comping".
My sincere apologies to everyone!

I'd like comping as well. And auto naming of clip copies to avoid an unmanageable mess.

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:38 pm
by Valiumdupeuple
You can do some kind of comping in Live now that we have 2 windows. Work in Arrangement and use the Session grid as a comping tool.
It works great for the recording aspect of comping at least. When you have all your takes, just create as an audio track for every takes and drop the clips into them...

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:52 pm
by JoshG567
The other week I put fresh strings on the bass and went through one of my songs - 3 separate takes to arrangement while everything played back. (I used direct monitoring.)

For each take I just added a new audio track and routed its output to my existing Bass track, which I set to monitor in.

After I was done I listened through and did a bit of arrangement automation to mute/unmute one take or another so that only one played at a time - when I had something that flowed I just armed the main bass track and did a global record to that track that pulled the parts I liked from the separate takes together.






SO YEAH, SUCKS TO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMP IN LIVE. FEEL U, BRO.

Haven't tried this, but seems like more work than what I do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udhd-Rx0Qh8

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:39 am
by Stromkraft
Valiumdupeuple wrote:You can do some kind of comping in Live now that we have 2 windows. Work in Arrangement and use the Session grid as a comping tool.
It works great for the recording aspect of comping at least. When you have all your takes, just create as an audio track for every takes and drop the clips into them...
I can imagine this method to be handled by a Max plugin or similar. I work somewhat like this, but less organized people (within music creation) won't. I know people that don't mark up clips and keeps many songs in one project. It's a mess really.

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:17 pm
well... there basically is a m4l device workaround: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udhd-Rx0Qh8

but for me the whole setting up part is way too complicated to really integrate it into my workflow.

Re: Comping (how does it *not* have comping?)

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:13 pm
by Stromkraft
[email protected] wrote:well... there basically is a m4l device workaround: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udhd-Rx0Qh8

but for me the whole setting up part is way too complicated to really integrate it into my workflow.
Thanks for that valuable tip, Felix. I think this can fit my workflow very well. I especially liked the mixing part. I hope it it works for MIDI tracks as well. I can't see why not.