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live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:43 pm
by ivarin
unfortunately the latter (again), sorry.
the only thing i wanted to ask indeed is: what really keeps you with Live? honestly. i've been a loyal live suite user for years, had push, now push2, i really love live and i don't want to start another holy war here.
the matter is that now i'm desperately trying not being impulsive after ~2hrs of messing w/ bitwig. but i really loved it. it's like the way things supposed to be since day 1 but somehow no-one noticed that. since some of you mentioned on this forum that live is getting more dope-beatz oriented, i found bitwig being incredibly into experimental sound design with its fantastic routing options, feedback fx slots etc, not to mention modulation thing.
and what a relief realizing it's all achieved natively, not being dependent on a huge, heavy and buggy m4l part or anything.
i know i'm missing something here. or not?
appreciate your feedback
cheers
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:44 pm
by S4racen
M4L isn't buggy....
Cheers
D
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:50 pm
by ivarin
S4racen wrote:M4L isn't buggy....
Cheers
D
considering subj and apart from m4l discussion,
S4racen, is it the only thing that keeps you with Live?
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:04 pm
by Shift Gorden
Oooooooh - click baity title - what is this, BUZZFEED?
Sounds like Bitwig is the software for you. I like Live because it's the software for me
The only limitations are my imaginaton and ignorance, and for the latter the folk on this forum help out!
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:14 pm
by ivarin
Shift Gorden wrote:Oooooooh - click baity title - what is this, BUZZFEED?
Sounds like Bitwig is the software for you. I like Live because it's the software for me
The only limitations are my imaginaton and ignorance, and for the latter the folk on this forum help out!
come on,
Shift Gorden, you have no idea about my ignorance. suppose i know nothing about live after all these years — i'm asking for help folks on this forum; or i know live inside out — i wonder the opinions and what am i missing. don't be biased
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:46 pm
by Stromkraft
ivarin wrote:
the only thing i wanted to ask indeed is: what really keeps you with Live?
I create my music effortlessly and don't think about "the DAW" in session. That's worth more than "features" and another set of problems. We can all read at the Bitwig sites. There are always issues with any DAW, just different.
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:19 am
by miyaru
One should not be bothered by the fact what DAW he/she uses.... Just use what you like best. What use does it have to ask another about it? I don't care what you like or not, and I'm not bothered what you think about the fact what I like best..... No offense, but spend your time making music I guess....
I've used Cubase in many incarnations for about 20yrs, and last winter went to Live - and never looked back, do you think anyone on the Cubase forum cares? That is what I mean.
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:23 am
by jestermgee
don't be biased
That's kind of hard for most of us since it's what we use every day and what we have come to like.
What keeps me with Live is I can do pretty much everything I want and I have been more than happy with it, have never felt the urge to switch or even try something new. I use to use trackers back in the 90s and early 00s which I loved for the workflow but I started craving more stability and plugins over samples so I spent a few years trying Fruity, Cubase/Nuendo, Reason, Reaper before stumbling over Live (which at the time I had not even heard of) and almost straight away the workflow clicked. Been happy ever since.
I have nothing to argue why someone else should stay/go with another. Spend your time making your mind up, your experience will differ from mine.
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:03 am
by micksmuse
revolver was done on a four track recorder i believe. archaic compared to what even reaper gives you. sometimes creativity comes from things you can't do.
i have grown to love live for not only what it affords me the luxury of doing but what it forces me to do out of compromise.
necessity is the mother of invention etc.
you can go nuts chasing every option and realizing that all the options are never under one hood.
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:42 am
by ivarin
miyaru wrote:One should not be bothered by the fact what DAW he/she uses.... Just use what you like best. What use does it have to ask another about it? I don't care what you like or not, and I'm not bothered what you think about the fact what I like best..... No offense, but spend your time making music I guess....
why you bother replying this topic then? i asked what are live's important features for you, not what to be bothered by or how to spend my time. no offense.
this is strange. this forum is full of 'suggestions', live10 feature expectations, begging about native lfo etc., but when it comes to bitwig's comparison, i'm hearing about 'limitation is creativity', 'just not your DAW', 'music has been created on 4 tracks recorders' (i know that, thank -god- intel now we have i7 CPUs). this has nothing to do with this topic.
i wonder what are live's important features for you if it's not just an habit or minor requirements
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:18 am
by Martin Gifford
I hate both grey and orange. I'd never move to orange. I like Studio One for its songwriting features and ability to have a few songs open at once, but haven't moved over yet. Not sure what I'm waiting for.
Maybe waiting to see if they make Ableton v10 significantly better. Doubt it.
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:49 am
by ivarin
antic604 sooo agree with you. but you know even those countless tutorials and yet another wow-you'd-never-discover-this-thing-in-ableton youtube videos become kinda tiresome. that's when 'just make music' suggestion sounds wise
btw you can download their
beta to get 2.2 features. oh i noticed how poor their sampler is comparing to live's one, hope they'll get to it soon.
do you have/had Push(2)? do you use m4l? what do you think on these ones?
Martin Gifford orange lets you having several project being open at once too fyi. i never tried studio one tho and know nothing about it. i had great expectations for l10 but considering they rely on m4l and push heavily there's nothing to be agitated about imo
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:05 am
by miyaru
I will tell you what my most importend thing about Live is: Push 2!
I have no troubles getting around Live and it's features, I read the manual quiet often in my spare time, and see and saw a lot of YT stuff about Live. The way Live operates with Push 2 is for me the ideal workflow, I can work efficient and fast this way.
I don't know Bitwig, never worked with it, never saw it in real, and not interested at all in it. I'm happy with Live. Happily enough, 'cause I spent enough on Live 9 suite and Push 2 LOL.
And again, I did not wanted to be offensive, but one got to make his mind up himself I guess. I think you have nothing on the fact I love my Push 2, if you love Bitwig better and more........ Don't let technolegy get in the way of making music; Push 2 is for me the thing that makes it easier!!!
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:51 am
by ivarin
miyaru wrote:I will tell you what my most importend thing about Live is: Push 2!
I have no troubles getting around Live and it's features, I read the manual quiet often in my spare time, and see and saw a lot of YT stuff about Live. The way Live operates with Push 2 is for me the ideal workflow, I can work efficient and fast this way.
thank you.
miyaru wrote:
one got to make his mind up himself I guess.
you see, ironically i started this thread exactly because of this. to make up my mind having some opinions and points of views.
miyaru wrote:I think you have nothing on the fact I love my Push 2, if you love Bitwig better and more........ Don't let technolegy get in the way of making music; Push 2 is for me the thing that makes it easier!!!
am i insisting on anything here?
again, thank you for your response
Re: live10, native lfo, ios vs android, ableton vs bitwig
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:04 am
by channelite
Live users have to really try Bitwig to see how much better it is then Live. It took me six months before I went full Bitwig. Live lured me back for a while with Link. Though it wasn't enough and Bitwig has Link now which is really awesome. But seriously, Live needs to step up their game.