Ableton Forum

I have several instruments that use MIDI 2.0 ... Will Ableton Live support MIDI 2.0 ?

ZenMusic wrote: ↑

Sat May 30, 2020 11:10 pm

I have several instruments that use MIDI 2.0 ... Will Ableton Live support MIDI 2.0 ?

MPE is MIDI 1.0, not MIDI 2.0.

AFAIK, only one MIDI 2.0 compatible hardware was ever announced, a Roland keyboard (A-88 MKII) and it is just "MIDI 2.0 compatible", it is not even MPE.

I have a custom electronic instrument that I had built for me by Don Buchla ... . it has 12 parallel program "channels" (not midi channels) for each note (or for the total sum output) intended to be programmed or performed

So my hope to realize (recreate) some of my compositions is MIDI 2.0
So I program (for example)

-pitch
-volume
Note on (but it can accept also duration instead of note on/off pair)

-control1 & 2 input source (a number)
-control1 & 2 input width
-control1 & 2 frequency

-pressure
-after touch (used though for setting the timbre of the control)
ADSR1 parameter controllers
A control
D control
S control
R control

ADSR2 parameter controllers
A control
D control
S control
R control


I wrote a matrix controller (all the control voltages in a Buchla) program to record my performance (or program directly) and have much music recorded.

So I will convert my files to MIDI 2.0 , it looks very straight forward for me

so now I need a way to control the synthesizers with the new MIDI 2,0 version of the files

( I can perform this currently with my Buchla 200e)

OH note: this was not a MIDI device .. this is a Voltage Controlled system with digitized (quantized) values .. I've added MIDI conversion to each "channel" and have that working with MIDI 1 (subset of values at the outputs)

ZenMusic wrote: ↑

Sat May 30, 2020 11:10 pm

I have several instruments that use MIDI 2.0 ... Will Ableton Live support MIDI 2.0 ?

To my knowledge, no DAW supports Midi 2.0 yet.

Pretty amazing instrument, nice!

MIDI 2.0 was not implemented yet in Live, nor in Max 8, and I think Ableton never really mentioned it officially (they are pretty tight-lipped about future releases).

Seems to me the industry as a whole is preparing a big MIDI 2.0 launch in the future, which was probably affected by Covid, like most things.

There was a MIDI org webinar set to May 30 yesterday, maybe there will be some news out of it.

One of the members of the MIDI Executive board is part of Cycling'74, Jean-Baptiste Thiebaut, also worked on Roli and was Executive Director
of ADC, Audio Developer Conference, until last March (I guess JUCE being sold to Pace/iLok may have affected that).

jlgrimes wrote: ↑

Sun May 31, 2020 7:50 am

ZenMusic wrote: ↑

Sat May 30, 2020 11:10 pm

I have several instruments that use MIDI 2.0 ... Will Ableton Live support MIDI 2.0 ?

To my knowledge, no DAW supports Midi 2.0 yet.

That said I did hear that Ableton was somewhat involved in the implementation of Midi 2.0 as the developers reached out to various DAW developers so I’m guessing that this is something that is most likely in the future for Ableton not just sure as when.

I would guess probably version 11 or 12 as it probably involves a massive rework of code unless they have been involved with this for awhile.

It is probably inevitable at some point as more controllers/VSTs start supporting it.

It could be awhile as well as VST3.0 came out in 2008 and it took about 10 years for Ableton to get it. But it probably depends on how quick controllers start implementing it.

thanks for the replies .. I guess I'm a year too early ...

A week full time learning Serum and Ableton and I see this is not the platform that I need for writing my electronic symphonies.
It's good for songs like my daughter does but not intended to implement the equivalent of a modular Buchla synth system.

Ableton/Serum may be useful for sounds that I control with my sequencer software limited by the control input routing. I have to rethink my project and my approach.

The nearest thing in software to a Buchla (or any modular) is probably VCV Rack.

But it’s not a Buchla, pretty much nothing other than a Buchla or maybe Make Noise is. And like all software it suffers from a lack of physical knobs and switches.

VCV Rack is cool, thanks

I have written a large Matrix Control Voltage and Sequencer system .. I may be able to port it to work withVCV Rack .. or a VST ..

thanks

I'm looking into getting a new MIDI keyboard, and there are new MIDI 2.0 ones on the market, e.g. Korg Keystage, NI Kontrol S-series Mk3 units, plus the older Roland A88 Mk2.

Does anyone know when Ableton will support MIDI 2.0? I believe Bitwig and Cubase already do (although perhaps in limited ways).

Only Ableton knows; they won't tell us until it's ready to test.

There still isn't a Windows MIDI 2.0 driver.

I think most companies are waiting until that is finally released before announcing any MIDI 2.0 gear.

pottering wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 21, 2024 8:21 pm

There still isn't a Windows MIDI 2.0 driver.

I think most companies are waiting until that is finally released before announcing any MIDI 2.0 gear.

I'm not convinced of that. A range of MIDI 2.0 gear is currently available and continues to expand.