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Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:38 pm
by LemonEar
Usually the set up is that I have the metronome playing to count myself in, I select my Fixed Length to record. Global Quantization is set to 1 bar, I press the Record button and sometimes it works as expected, and other times it doesn't. I have to press Record two times regularly.

The person who is teaching me live looping says it happens to him regularly too. He uses a piano style sustain pedal (I don't have one yet) and says very often he has to step on it twice in order to engage recording.

Any idea what could be causing this?

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:16 pm
by vinnibald
I am experiencing the same issue with Push 2. It is not dependent on Fixed Length.

Push 2:
Firmware 1.0 Build 69

Ableton:
10 Suite 10.1.18 Build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIM_2u83FEs

Just found out that when I manually arm or disarm any track, I need to press record twice afterwards, no matter which track I want to record.
(disarming/arming directly on push 2 - holding any track for 2 secs)

I guess its a bug. In "Note" view it should record no matter if its "darkred-armed" or just "push2-armed".

So get used to press it twice after arming/disarming any track on push 2.

Weird and annoying and confusing behaviour. Or I dont get why Push 2 behaves like this.

BTW I need to press twice to STOP recording when I armed/disarmed a track while recording, too.

Can someone explain further?

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:11 pm
by [jur]
That's a bug, good catch!
We're filling it.

For now, a workaround is to use the (hold)REC + Track Selector button to un/arm a track.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:59 pm
by vinnibald
Many thanks for the quick feedback!

Can you estimate how long the fix will take, or is the extent of the necessary changes not yet calculable?

The workaround works like a charm. I didnt know you can arm tracks like this.
Its even faster, but you need two hands...

This bug is so essential, I experience it very often when I change some arming and then fail recording afterwards...

Is this a new bug since the last update or did nobody else really notice it?

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:21 pm
by [jur]
vinnibald wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:59 pm
Can you estimate how long the fix will take, or is the extent of the necessary changes not yet calculable?

Is this a new bug since the last update or did nobody else really notice it?
It's actually not that new, but I have no idea when it'll be fixed, sorry.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:29 pm
by tonemalogne
Hello, I am also having this issue and it is very frustrating! This forum post is almost two years old now, is there any chance you guys can bump this up on the priority list please? :)

I'm running Ableton 11 Live Suite 11.1.1, Push 2 Firmware 1.0 Build 71.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:57 pm
by spyinzedark
Hi, anything new about this bug ?
It's very frustrating to me also...

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 5:10 pm
by deluxe87
It's 2023 and guess what? The bug still here. I have Live v11.2.
I just want to ask developers or whatever Ableton team: do you feel any shame by any chance? I would be for sure!

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 12:32 am
by [jur]
deluxe87 wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 5:10 pm
It's 2023 and guess what? The bug still here. I have Live v11.2.
I just want to ask developers or whatever Ableton team: do you feel any shame by any chance? I would be for sure!
I haven't experienced it recently so I didn't notice it's still here.
Please send a bug report to Support !

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 3:33 am
by johnsimmons
[jur] wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 12:32 am
I haven't experienced it recently so I didn't notice it's still here.
Please send a bug report to Support !
Oh man, how was this forgotten about down at HQ? I've been dealing with this every Ableton session for so many years now. It's bittersweet finding this thread because, all along, I thought it was because my Push 2 Rec button was starting to wear out.

It's also nice to find out about the Rec button + Track Select button to arm select without this double-pushing bug. Somehow i missed this one.

But still, I learned the long press way to do it and it is ridiculous that it's still there! I'll send a report.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:39 pm
by desiggers
This is indeed an ancient issue.
I have a suggestion however:
In options.txt check if you have "-EnableArmOnSelection" present.

I've used this as a solution for a long time (via Push Bible) to improve this behaviour.

Of late however it seems that it's actually making it worse.

I removed it and things got better immediately. Even when I put it back in, things were better.

Give it a try and see if it helps - curious to know if it does.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:11 pm
by whatisnotrue
I was always confused about this behavior. Nice to see it reported 5 months ago.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:13 am
by [jur]
whatisnotrue wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:11 pm
I was always confused about this behavior. Nice to see it reported 5 months ago.
Make sure to report it too, the more info for the devs the better; and the more reports the higher it goes into the priority list.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:02 pm
by chapelier fou
I’ve reported it as well and it’s been logged.

Re: Have to Press Record Button Twice-Sometimes But Not All the Time

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:23 pm
by deluxe87
[jur] wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 12:32 am
deluxe87 wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 5:10 pm
It's 2023 and guess what? The bug still here. I have Live v11.2.
I just want to ask developers or whatever Ableton team: do you feel any shame by any chance? I would be for sure!
I haven't experienced it recently so I didn't notice it's still here.
Please send a bug report to Support !
Thanks for the answer, I made a video to be clear what is going wrong here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4LfZgtCjfI
I want to ask everybody to help kinda promote this video just because the bug has to be fixed!
You can use this video to send it to bug report to Ableton more often, to have a better chance to be reviewed.

And here is my post on reddit, to adress the bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/ableton/commen ... /?sort=new
Thanks!