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Tempo Phasing
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:57 am
by kingjulinan
Hey everyone!
Is there any M4L device you know to set for each MIDI Track a different tempo?
Or do you know a technique just within Ableton without any M4L juice? Could be also a M4L sequencer but I'd prefer to work with the Ableton MIDI clips. Thanks a lot for the answer
IDEA:
- ABLETON TRANSPORT OUTPUT --> M4L DEVICE CHANGES TEMPO --> INSTRUMENT
- ... maybe you have another idea
Greetings and thanks a lot for the help,
Mi
Re: Tempo Phasing
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:07 pm
by S4racen
"Is there any M4L device you know to set for each MIDI Track a different tempo?"
Thats completely against the paradigm of Live.
Cheers
D
Re: Tempo Phasing
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:02 pm
by Angstrom
kingjulinan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:57 am
- ABLETON TRANSPORT OUTPUT --> M4L DEVICE CHANGES TEMPO --> INSTRUMENT
If you are talking about
"Phase" in the Steve Reich sense then ... sort of.
In his pieces : music for clapping / piano phase ... etc. the loops are very slightly different lengths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P_9hDzG1i0
Of course we can see that as tempo, but we can also shave a little off the end of a loop to put it out of phase. The beat timing will go off (as the last beat will be short) but the effect is mostly equivalent.
You can do this to a degree by targeting the right loop brace and move it to the left by a fraction of a beat.
If loop A is 4.0.0 and Loop B is 3.3.35 then loop B will be "faster"
I think there's probably a Clip Operations demo patch which shows how to observe and target Loop End
Re: Tempo Phasing
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:20 pm
by schlam
There is a (commercial) device named "clocker" in maxforlive.com which do that but only for hardware devices. It uses imp.midi.
Re: Tempo Phasing
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:03 am
by kingjulinan
S4racen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:07 pm
"Is there any M4L device you know to set for each MIDI Track a different tempo?"
Thats completely against the paradigm of Live.
Cheers
D
so true hahah!
Re: Tempo Phasing
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:24 am
by kingjulinan
Angstrom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:02 pm
kingjulinan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:57 am
- ABLETON TRANSPORT OUTPUT --> M4L DEVICE CHANGES TEMPO --> INSTRUMENT
If you are talking about
"Phase" in the Steve Reich sense then ... sort of.
In his pieces : music for clapping / piano phase ... etc. the loops are very slightly different lengths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P_9hDzG1i0
Of course we can see that as tempo, but we can also shave a little off the end of a loop to put it out of phase. The beat timing will go off (as the last beat will be short) but the effect is mostly equivalent.
You can do this to a degree by targeting the right loop brace and move it to the left by a fraction of a beat.
If loop A is 4.0.0 and Loop B is 3.3.35 then loop B will be "faster"
I think there's probably a Clip Operations demo patch which shows how to observe and target Loop End
Hey!
Since over 13 years I'm using Ableton and Max, every freaking day but why the hell didn't I come up with this idea myself. I already played with odd loop lengths but when I had to think about different tempi, I simply overlooked it. Thanks for the help! Also: It's just for a mockup and your solution is perfect to test things.
M
Re: Tempo Phasing
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:38 am
by kingjulinan
schlam wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:20 pm
There is a (commercial) device named "clocker" in maxforlive.com which do that but only for hardware devices. It uses imp.midi.
thx, going to check this!