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I would find a vibrato (pitch modulation) effect with some of the features similar to the Auto Pan and flanger very usefull.
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HI heaven,
You could work around this by automating the transpose control or create a pitch modifying clip envelope. That would give you some flexibility to simulate vibrato but not the same an actual effect. You could also get a tremolo effect using the clip envelope and changing volumes. Even getting a sort of "Flickering" effect by turning the volume clip from max to min in time to the beats.

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I am thinking more along the lines of the warble associated with a modulation delay like the electro harmonix memory man or an effect which could be applied to the master channel to simulate the effects of recording to (bad) tape in similar way some people use the vinyl crackle effect.

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Try this: The memory man is just a chorus pedal set to fully wet (no dry signal), you can do this with live's chorus! also turn off the second delay line so your just left with the one pitch modulated signal!

Thanks for the suggestion. I seem to recall that i found this a bit to consisitent to get the kind of warble I am after but I will try again when I get home as I am in Brighton right know.
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12ax7heaven wrote:I would find a vibrato (pitch modulation) effect with some of the features similar to the Auto Pan and flanger very useful.

I have asked many developers for something like this, because pitch modulation is GROSSLY neglected by the audio effect community... software as well as hardware. Some people theorize that this is because of certain guitar amps in the 60s mislabeling the tremolo circuit as vibrato, which led to a lot of people assuming that tremolo and vibrato were the same thing, and thus there was little demand for real vibrato. 40 years later there are millions of chorus/flanger/phaser/autopan/tremolo effects, but extremely few vibratos.

I've searched high and low for a good vibrato plugin. Of the very few I found, only one was pure pitch modulation that worked without noticeable latency. Unfortunately this plugin is DirectX only and very feature limited and not perfectly stable.

All the ideas for automating pitch parameters are great, and sometimes work okay, but a real vibrato plugin would be very useful. You'd rather use a chorus plugin than automate a delay wouldn't you? Unfortunately, since most people don't know what they're missing, they shoot down the idea of vibrato effects very quickly. I've heard the "I'm a guitar player, I just wiggle the strings with my fingers" excuse many times. Well this isn't the same at all. That's like playing notes more than once instead of using a delay pedal. If you haven't run your guitar, synth pads/leads, etc. thru a vibrato pedal (a few exist) or plugin then I recommend trying it, it can do some wonderful things.

Drastic pitch effects might be fun from time to time, but a plugin focused on subtle pitch effects would be most useful. Something with LFOs and envelopes like Live's Auto Pan or Auto Filter would be amazing.

>v^<^^ wrote:pitch modulation is GROSSLY neglected by the audio effect community... software as well as hardware. Some people theorize that this is because of certain guitar amps in the 60s mislabeling the tremolo circuit as vibrato, which led to a lot of people assuming that tremolo and vibrato were the same thing, and thus there was little demand for real vibrato. 40 years later there are millions of chorus/flanger/phaser/autopan/tremolo effects, but extremely few vibratos.

The Live manual, on AutoPan wrote:Though both LFOs run at the same frequency, the Phase control lends the sound stereo movement by offsetting their waveforms relative to each other. Set this to "180", and the LFOs will be perfectly out of phase (180 degrees apart), so that when one reaches its peak,
the other is at its minimum. Phase is particularly effective for creating vibrato effects.

You mean tremolo effects!

Need tremolo... vibrato

get Reaktor

so i've got one of those fender amps that's got tremolo. what's the technical difference between vibrato and tremolo? thx.

tremolo is a modulation of volume

another makeshift idea would be to drop complete audio files into simpler or sampler. with sampler, you could have LFO2 set to a "random" waveform, and modulating the rate of LFO1, which would be modulating pitch. that would give you a semi-random overall effect. then you could bounce the audio down

it would be cool if you could just route audio through the sampler's gizmos

12ax7heaven wrote:I am thinking more along the lines of the warble associated with a modulation delay like the electro harmonix memory man or an effect which could be applied to the master channel to simulate the effects of recording to (bad) tape in similar way some people use the vinyl crackle effect.

there are loads of free plugins out there..
there has to be at least one that does this for you...

Check out Discord 2 demo nice little pitch shifter...


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