I can't figure out if it's doable.
Is there a way, when a track output is set to MPE, to specify explicitly which channel is used ?
Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
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Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
I also have another question, somehow related.
I made a M4L controller for my OB-6. Today I tried MPE on the OB-6 (since it now works in 11.1, thanks to the configurable MPE output), and noticed that I needed to enable the MPE attribute otherwise voices would not be allocated correctly.
But now that the patch is MPE enabled, PC and CC messages don't work anymore.
I made a M4L controller for my OB-6. Today I tried MPE on the OB-6 (since it now works in 11.1, thanks to the configurable MPE output), and noticed that I needed to enable the MPE attribute otherwise voices would not be allocated correctly.
But now that the patch is MPE enabled, PC and CC messages don't work anymore.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
You mean at Live's midi track input stage, or at the output to your external synth?chapelier fou wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:09 amBut now that the patch is MPE enabled, PC and CC messages don't work anymore.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Sorry, I mean no PC or CC going out of the track.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
So you have something like seaboard/clip with MPE > your OB-6 custom M4L device > midi out to your OB-6. Right?
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
I've got a regular midi keyboard for input, I just manually draw voice pitch bend within the clips afterwards.
I just tried something that might solve the issue. I just added a [mpeformat] (Zone Master Channel input) between the [midiformat] where everything goes in and [midiout]. Now the PC and CC messages seem to go out to the tracks channel (when not set to MPE).
I just tried something that might solve the issue. I just added a [mpeformat] (Zone Master Channel input) between the [midiformat] where everything goes in and [midiout]. Now the PC and CC messages seem to go out to the tracks channel (when not set to MPE).
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
I'm still looking for good ressources to properly learn how MPE works.
And still very interested in my original question....
Thanks !!
And still very interested in my original question....
Thanks !!
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Well. I clearly lack some basic knowledge / good habits to work with MPE. Any help would be great.
For instance, here is the patch I'm working on. A basic controller for 0B-6. I want the CCs to go to the Master Channel (I guess ?) and let note and voice PB data go through.
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</code></pre>
For instance, here is the patch I'm working on. A basic controller for 0B-6. I want the CCs to go to the Master Channel (I guess ?) and let note and voice PB data go through.
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
MacBook Pro 13" Retina i7 2.8 GHz OS 10.13, L10.0.1, M4L.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Sorry, I can't help regarding MPE in M4L. I didn't take the time to study this yet (I had a look, but I felt too much shy !)
AFAIK, MPE data are spread to channels randomly in Live, so I think you're stuck here. My memory is telling me that maybe this was improved in Max lately, but it's totally possible that I'm tricking myself up. You should check Max 8.1 and Max 8.2 release notes.
In L11.1 there's new MPE settings designed to help with multi-channel instruments. You find it by right-click the title bar of a MPE (3rd party only) instrument... which means that wouldn't work in your case I guess.chapelier fou wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:17 amI can't figure out if it's doable.
Is there a way, when a track output is set to MPE, to specify explicitly which channel is used ?
AFAIK, MPE data are spread to channels randomly in Live, so I think you're stuck here. My memory is telling me that maybe this was improved in Max lately, but it's totally possible that I'm tricking myself up. You should check Max 8.1 and Max 8.2 release notes.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Does anyone know some good resources, generally about MPE, and specifically with M4L ?
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MichaelAbletonForum
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Based on my POCs I think the M4L objects for MPE cannot be use to solve the "channel issue" in M4L. I've tried it!
Because you have a dynamic midi channel allocation. If you have an idea let me know I will help to analyze it.
About the resources, I've found a lot in the M4L forums and based on that I've developed my own implementation for the Roli Blocks.
I like the new MPE M4L objects because the implementation is very strait forward and easy to use. In my opinion!
Because you have a dynamic midi channel allocation. If you have an idea let me know I will help to analyze it.
About the resources, I've found a lot in the M4L forums and based on that I've developed my own implementation for the Roli Blocks.
I like the new MPE M4L objects because the implementation is very strait forward and easy to use. In my opinion!
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chapelier fou
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Great serious info here (needs to be registered) : https://www.midi.org/midi-articles/midi ... ession-mpe
But still, I think we lack a "good practices" guide when using MPE in M4L.
But still, I think we lack a "good practices" guide when using MPE in M4L.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
But [mpeformat] seems to imply that you can send stuff to various channel "explicitly", doesn't it ?MichaelAbletonForum wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:18 pm
Because you have a dynamic midi channel allocation. If you have an idea let me know I will help to analyze it.
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Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
I've checked the patch but i don't understand what you want!chapelier fou wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:21 pmWell. I clearly lack some basic knowledge / good habits to work with MPE. Any help would be great.
For instance, here is the patch I'm working on. A basic controller for 0B-6. I want the CCs to go to the Master Channel (I guess ?) and let note and voice PB data go through.
I've developed am MPE implementation for the casio VZ 1 to make the VZ MPE playable. Is it that what you want with OB6?
The main thing is you cannot decouple the midi notes and the CC.
The main way is:
The receiver (VZ or your OB6) has to be in multitimbral mode!
The mpe midi channels should be set of the count of the possible channels (depends on the available separate channels)
Then:
if you press a note send it to the next free channel eg 1
Each CC of this played note has to be send to this channel eg 1
If you play now the second note you have to find the next "free channel" eg 2 and send all depending CC to this channel.
and so on.
That means using the master channel for cc is not the way to go!
I think a devices that makes every old midi synth MPE playable is an nice idea! And i think it should not so complicated!
Re: Any way to use MPE to output MIDI to several channels ?
Did check these Cycling articles?
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