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Now we are getting somewhere. My innitial post with a comment on Live 5's performance on a Mac V.S. Live 5 on a PC... "I think I know why Live 5 is having so many problems" I simply asked the question as to weather or not the software was developed on a Mac or a PC. The answer to this specific question was never answered. A bit of usefull information did come out of the string. One Mac user had this to say...

"Live 5.0.1 is pretty stable for me... specifically... i haven't had a single crash since the final release and i've used it every day over the last week, including a 5 hour gig on Monday."

I don't think I've read a higher praise of Live 5 than this comment. A five hour gig is a good test. I would like to know what functions were in operation durring that gig. This guy uses a Mac power book... I don't want to be the one to ask all the right questions but, asking the right questions and getting the most insightfull answers does allow good decisions to be made about what products to purchase in the future. If the Mac users are experiencing fewer system crashes we as PC users should be aware of this. How else are we going to know Live's weak points (relative to PC compatability) if we don't expose this here. The problems may only be taking place on the PC systems having specific mother boards. If we can determine the ones who don't function well with Live 5 this would be a good thing to trouble shoot. We as a group (committee of users) should all come together and try to answer this question ourselves.

coincidentally, i answered your question in that other thread.

no need to start multiple threads on the same subject. especially if you are wanting the forum to be more focused. its best to keep it all in one place.

so head over to the other thread and you will see how i was using Live 5 for 5 hours problem free.

I thought peedrro started up a Live 5 test on here somewhere. There should be a file to download so that you can test it on your machine Myth Healer. I think that's where it's all happening testwise.

telekom wrote:I thought peedrro started up a Live 5 test on here somewhere. There should be a file to download so that you can test it on your machine Myth Healer. I think that's where it's all happening testwise.

no, Peedrro just linked my Live 4 Test file.

the Live 5 Performance Test will come shortly.

You can't discount the possibility that crashes can also happen due to inboard hardwareissues, drivers, OS issues, corrupt audio, outboard hardware issues, viruses, VST issues (especially with new software like Live 5), and/or user issues. Mac or PC. One thing is clear, and has been sincce version ONE... when you have a stable system (virus-free with current drivers and well-tested OS updates), Live is easily the most stable of all other DAWs.

But there are no guarantees.

perhaps the PCs that are having issues have viruses or spyware on them causing issues?

and by viruses i mean aside from the virus that is the Windows operating system.

did i just type that out loud?

adam, you really should be more sensitive when you diss windows here, people get very upset... except that most of them can't get on the internet to read this because their machines are full of virrusssssesssss......

waahhaaahhaaaahhaaaa

telekom wrote:adam, you really should be more sensitive when you diss windows here, people get very upset... except that most of them can't get on the internet to read this because their machines are full of virrusssssesssss......

waahhaaahhaaaahhaaaa

hahahahaha

well i apologize for my insensitivities now.... to all those windows users using their friends' macs to read this thread.

I've taken that test where you determine how much cpu is used.. I don't think starting a new string to zone in on the difference between PC and MAC is an issue. It is important to be specific. I was fishing for possible root causes of system crash issues. For you to have ran this software for 5 hours strait and without a crash is remarkable. You have a good solid system. I would like to read a post from a user who has a PC and is experiencing the same performance. If we can't get a PC user to post their success, this should say something about the compatability between Live 5 and PCs.

I'm not interested in overall performance, lowest CPU ussage. I would like to know if the system simply hangs up, stops working in the middle of a task. If this can be determined here in this forum, and between an A/B test between PC users and Mac users.. or older board PC users and newer board PC users... I would love to read about, know and undestand the difference. If a specific mother board is having repeated problems and other PC mother boards are free from repeated crashes, this is a great bit of information to deal with. I may upgrade my mother board if I knew it was unstable with Live 5.

We cannot speculate here, we must test the systems with similar clicks with the mouse. Loading up clips a certain way that gets things to crash in the PC and not the Mac. This is the type of test I would like to see conducted.

Myth Healer wrote: We cannot speculate here, we must test the systems with similar clicks with the mouse. Loading up clips a certain way that gets things to crash in the PC and not the Mac. This is the type of test I would like to see conducted.

i agree whole-heartedly
and you need to make sure that these systems are infected with the same viruses and spyware as well.

gotta be thorough with test beds.

AdamJay wrote:
hahahahaha

well i apologize for my insensitivities now.... to all those windows users using their friends' macs to read this thread.

hey adam, it's worse than that... many windows users are now having to borrow their friends' LINUX computers to log into the microsoft website to find out which buffer underrun vulnerability is currently strangling their pc. Soon there will be a little display on your internet-enabled fridge...

"It looks like you are out of milk. Also, your PC is currently infected with 37 viruses and your firewall has just been breached by a Russian fraud expert. Would you like me to

order more milk
order more milk and run norton on the PC
order more milk, run norton and give your credit card details to the Russian guy"


I'm a bad little kitty

I would like to know if the system simply hangs up, stops working in the middle of a task. If this can be determined here in this forum, and between an A/B test between PC users and Mac users..

Is Live 5 really so unstabe under Windows?

Without wanting to get involved in the PC/Mac piss take, I've been using 5 for a couple of hours a day and it hasn't crashed since about beta 8 except where I've been responsible for perpatrating some unstable Reaktor creation on it (for which I don't blame Live.)

The interface can be frustratingly slow as previous posts have alluded to but the functionality and creativity/inspiration are excelent.

I'm feeling bad for you PC users....well almost!

Nooooo ! you bad guys ! my PC runs Live5 very smooth, and crash free too !
oh ! wait,, it's calling me...............................................
No I don't want milk !

Seriously, no issue here (btw, it's an IBM, isn't a Mac half an IBM ???)

Cheers,
amo

I don't really understand what you want, Myth Healer... We just had a thorough beta testing here. When things went wrong - the Abes asked for you setup. They have done, and are doing, their job. Bugs sneak in, but they're quick to take care of them once reported. (By the way - that should be done in the Bugs and Problems forum).

I have a PC - a custom built AMD - and have never really had any crashes. Since Live 4. Then again I mostly jam at home. But I do jam!

Cheers,
Mikael

There are a lot of crash-free PC users here. I think.

Really, you won't be able to find every cause of a crash on every system (that would be a LONG thread). You can only work on the system YOU have.

You could ask for recommendations for a system, but there are already many threads on this topic (do a search for Computer/Laptop recommendations).

Both systems can be crash free (at least from the Ab's end of things).