(Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

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TechnoLover
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(Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by TechnoLover » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:42 am

Hello,

I've got one question and don't even know if it's possible to solve it but I hope you guys can help me.

I've an "hybrid" setup with Ableton Live and several machines connected.

When I use live as "master clock" (which is needed if I want to avoid latency as much as possible), I sometimes need to open a new project on one of my machines (ie : Elektron Digitakt). It then gets "stopped" and I need to restart it in sync. My problem is that, when the Digitakt is set as "slave", I can't start it manually as it waits for Ableton to send a start message (which won't happen as Ableton is already started and still playing).

Is there a way to force Ableton to send a new start message (lets say, at the end of the current bar) ?

Thanks !

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by TechnoLover » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:07 am

bump :-)

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by Tarekith » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:53 pm

There is no native way to do this, but perhaps there’s a M4L device out there I don’t know about that can.
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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by TechnoLover » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:21 am

yeah even a M4L device would be perfect !

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by TechnoLover » Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:51 am

bumping this one a last time :-)

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by doubleUG » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:09 am

whats the "Start" message? CC or sysex?
when I know the message it should be easy the make a m4l patch

found this
https://cycling74.com/forums/how-do-you ... m-from-max
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_beat_clock

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
588.3oc2V0riaBCD9LQJuCHelFY9IYy1a84HZUjg3j0q.ajsgl1U8cu9GLf2
nPYinW1KYvyLd9F+MyXm2WuJ.jythEfvuGdHLH3ckl.iNsl.mh.PE5ZQIRXb
DPw+jk+FHpylDeUZzKvk3BYXbHr2FqQVhkxeUisP.xQzKfnAIH7EmumYT4YT
gwyXmRxISnU38s3j9vVijEuRnWNxU.ZibVZxFXTX7S6zhsleSfaf9wWP9sM9
JKN8zlJBUkklCW5Hs1j2WsNHTTkIHfevInRfwxeVuRKUhnYyikjV7FC64hNh
RYRjjvnFG502h38f1uqCIuLPHbr.SsacDorKSSCVlICdKkLdadz9M0sOTqFW
VfdcBcoNugNY0xlMw2O056pFGIuRU7P74JxQh4GwTTdoeCjecLwoVfZwmNhj
RNIuQhG9RzUwbkLM4W1fYmc56M3CbSUGSobOVyVJYx.i44cIidYx5om2Upll
wGIOihWYb47ikqhlzYqqsc3iGoO9d2GHCS1NwUADp7SL8mM8vepsQeuQj9fC
+2ooI9+wv+TjVxRQZoSRZ6geUHsJxIhBavreJYJdIMK1dozyFwSKKu.mOuXA
TMTSu4EZSZqM7A1RvZ3EtdE2ilpWj6S8SXgjP6uv+PeeRn57c+5xmCO3+Bur
kCO3bvykUK.foyBuECtrGGtt1GTccKlK51gEI0T0aLtd89H6ZB0tdqcMG2Rb
aw9ee.HtZPQplRZ31d1q65tSFTwNg4zFhosWoQeV0PaFb083h5tgQy.95UJG
9Kv6Y+Ep
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
copy the text, open Live > drag in empty M4L device > open Max editor > paste > save M4L device
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches

https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by TechnoLover » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:06 pm

(double post - sorry)
Last edited by TechnoLover on Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by TechnoLover » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:06 pm

doubleUG wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:09 am
whats the "Start" message? CC or sysex?
when I know the message it should be easy the make a m4l patch

found this
https://cycling74.com/forums/how-do-you ... m-from-max
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_beat_clock

<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
588.3oc2V0riaBCD9LQJuCHelFY9IYy1a84HZUjg3j0q.ajsgl1U8cu9GLf2
nPYinW1KYvyLd9F+MyXm2WuJ.jythEfvuGdHLH3ckl.iNsl.mh.PE5ZQIRXb
DPw+jk+FHpylDeUZzKvk3BYXbHr2FqQVhkxeUisP.xQzKfnAIH7EmumYT4YT
gwyXmRxISnU38s3j9vVijEuRnWNxU.ZibVZxFXTX7S6zhsleSfaf9wWP9sM9
JKN8zlJBUkklCW5Hs1j2WsNHTTkIHfevInRfwxeVuRKUhnYyikjV7FC64hNh
RYRjjvnFG502h38f1uqCIuLPHbr.SsacDorKSSCVlICdKkLdadz9M0sOTqFW
VfdcBcoNugNY0xlMw2O056pFGIuRU7P74JxQh4GwTTdoeCjecLwoVfZwmNhj
RNIuQhG9RzUwbkLM4W1fYmc56M3CbSUGSobOVyVJYx.i44cIidYx5om2Upll
wGIOihWYb47ikqhlzYqqsc3iGoO9d2GHCS1NwUADp7SL8mM8vepsQeuQj9fC
+2ooI9+wv+TjVxRQZoSRZ6geUHsJxIhBavreJYJdIMK1dozyFwSKKu.mOuXA
TMTSu4EZSZqM7A1RvZ3EtdE2ilpWj6S8SXgjP6uv+PeeRn57c+5xmCO3+Bur
kCO3bvykUK.foyBuECtrGGtt1GTccKlK51gEI0T0aLtd89H6ZB0tdqcMG2Rb
aw9ee.HtZPQplRZ31d1q65tSFTwNg4zFhosWoQeV0PaFb083h5tgQy.95UJG
9Kv6Y+Ep
-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
First, thank you so much for spending some time to help me :-)

I guess it's a CC message but I am not sure at all.

I am totally noob with M4L (I use plugins but never tried to make (or even compile) one). Could you help me to achieve it ?

Cheers !

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Re: (Re)send start message from Ableton to ext. gear

Post by doubleUG » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:21 pm

I sent you a PM
copy the text, open Live > drag in empty M4L device > open Max editor > paste > save M4L device
https://docs.cycling74.com/max8/vignett ... ng_patches

https://doubleUG.bandcamp.com/releases

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