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I get that in some places clicking right or left works as an Enter and Back button. But when you’re in say hot swap mode browsing samples or browsing Sounds, pressing left or right doesn’t do anything. It would be much faster and more fluid to navigate if the jog wheel could move through long lists too. Having to take my fingers off the jog wheel and use the arrow buttons to scroll left or right kind of ruins the main point of the jog wheel for me.

Anyone else?

This does seem like an oversight, and would make a great feature request

Me too,

Having to take my fingers off the jog wheel and use the arrow buttons to scroll left or right kind of ruins the main point of the jog wheel for me.

I thought the same thing.

yes, thought exactly the same...

Well, in many cases in the Browser, the jog's right "click" provides options (delete, rename etc...) so I guess there's some consistency reasons here.
I'm more concerned by situations where the jogwheel isn't substitutable by the D-Pad arrows; I feel like it should always be, only in case the jogwheel becomes defective.

Same here. I intuitively assume that right click is some sort of „next page“ or „forward“, and I keep making that mistake because it feels so right

[jur] wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:48 am

Well, in many cases in the Browser, the jog's right "click" provides options (delete, rename etc...) so I guess there's some consistency reasons here.
I'm more concerned by situations where the jogwheel isn't substitutable by the D-Pad arrows; I feel like it should always be, only in case the jogwheel becomes defective.

That's my thought as well, the jogwheel should always be substitutable by the D-Pad arrows, that means those (delete and rename options) should live somewhere else leaving space for the left/right jogwheel action to scroll horizontally in the browser.

It will just make much more sense.

Audivit wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:20 pm

That's my thought as well, the jogwheel should always be substitutable by the D-Pad arrows...

+1

Ableton completely screwed up the design IMHO
Firstly, a "jog wheel" without finger hole would make rotation much quicker
and secondly, why not offer a full pad underneath?
why only the horizontal axis?

So, indeed, it's simpler to use the arrows instead...

Too bad Ableton didn't take inspiration from Maschine's 4D encoder...
Everything is at your fingertips, and you can work much more efficiently.
the wheel is much smaller, which makes it much more convenient to use (again, if only they'd provided a hole to turn it with a finger like any other jog wheel...) and finally the "steps" of the encoder are also much more pronounced, which is nice and more precise for selecting elements one by one (the "tempo encoder" on the Push3 is good)

Example of editing midi clips on Maschine (piano roll)
you can do all this with the 4D encoder :
turn to select the note
up/down to transpose selection
left/right to move selection (nudge)
click + turn to lengthen selected notes
(and, of course, in combination the shift key to make these actions more precise)

only for "velocity" you have to use another encoder
on Push, you have to systematically remove your fingers from the jogwheel for practically every action.

ditto for renaming!
it would be so much faster to be able to move up/down a line

it's a shame.
because it's a bad hardware choice so it will always be like that now...