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Posted: **Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:01 pm**

Trying to figure out whether it's possible to do the below with Max For Live - essentially, "moving" Track Volume automation to Utility Gain automation. So in practice it would look like:

1. Have a Live track which has Track Volume automation
2. On that track, create an instance of Utility at the end of the chain
3. Create automation on the Gain parameter of the Utility plugin which matches the Track Volume automation
4. Reset the Track Volume automation to zero

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:57 am**

put "this device" in front a utility, it observes the track volume and sets the utility gain. Then record the utility automation, and delete the fader automation.

The device is not perfect, the values will differ and you have possible smooth the utility automation.

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Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:32 am**

(We really need to upgrade the forum so we can at least share small files)

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:09 pm**

I’ve been pushing for that for years now, along with screenshots. I’ll keep trying, that’s all we can promise for now.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:39 pm**

chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:32 am
(We really need to upgrade the forum so we can at least share small files)

Well, in the case of Max code, it is working good enough imo.
There's indeed security issues with sharing files, but otherwise: Tarekith's words!

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:27 pm**

[jur] wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:39 pm

chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:32 am
(We really need to upgrade the forum so we can at least share small files)
Well, in the case of Max code, it is working good enough imo.
There's indeed security issues with sharing files, but otherwise: Tarekith's words!

Not for people who have no clue how max works imo.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:39 pm**

chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:27 pm

[jur] wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:39 pm

chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:32 am
(We really need to upgrade the forum so we can at least share small files)
Well, in the case of Max code, it is working good enough imo.
There's indeed security issues with sharing files, but otherwise: Tarekith's words!
Not for people who have no clue how max works imo.

Perhaps create a sticky post about how to copy and paste compressed code in a new Max device, so that people can refer to it when they paste code or ask others to do so.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:34 pm**

You're right Chapelier, and Rivanni proposed a good suggestion.
My memory might be tricking me, but I'm pretty sure every time someone didn't understand what do to with those codes in a thread the solution was given back in the next comment.
My opinion is that the real topic is here is about finding a solution to safely share patches... and so we're going back in circle

I'm not saying I'm against a sticky, but maybe that would be a good occasion to rather make a list of important basics M4L info/tricks?

Posted: **Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:59 am**

Thanks so much for this! I have never ever done any patching or editing of Max For Live patches themselves though so I have no idea how to actually get this to work. I saw the link in your signature but still can't figure it out, are there any super basic youtube tutorials you can point me to?

doubleUG wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:57 am
put "this device" in front a utility, it observes the track volume and sets the utility gain. Then record the utility automation, and delete the fader automation.

The device is not perfect, the values will differ and you have possible smooth the utility automation.

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</code></pre>

Posted: **Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:35 am**

What was I saying ??
Copy everything between pre code and code pre.
Create a new empty max audio effect by dropping it from the browser. Click its edit button and paste into the patcher. Save the patcher with a relevant name.

Posted: **Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:31 am**

chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:35 am
What was I saying ??

chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:35 am
Copy everything between pre code and code pre.
Create a new empty max audio effect by dropping it from the browser. Click its edit button and paste into the patcher. Save the patcher with a relevant name.

What was I answering, though

Posted: **Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:30 am**

OK thanks, figured it out!

It seems to work in general but there always seems to be an offset between the value of the track automation and the value the patch transcribes to the Utility - e.g. when the track volume is at 0, the Utility reads -0.15. Don't think this'll do the trick for what I'm after unfortunately, but thanks very much for posting!

Posted: **Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:38 pm**

thats because of the strange curve of the fader https://cycling74.com/forums/getting-cu ... ume-slider. I have no idea how to correct it.

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