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So does Live 12 have Ping in the external effect device now, like every other DAW does?

Did you try using the CV Trigger device?

[jur] wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:03 am

Did you try using the CV Trigger device?

No. Why?

Because it can Ping.

CV Triggers
The CV Triggers device sends trigger control to your drum modules.

You can choose the MIDI note you want to use to trigger the module, and select the output to use for the control voltage.

There are 3 types of triggers; Gate, Trig, and Ping. Trig is a quick blip of control voltage to simply trigger a sound from your Eurorack. Gate will be open as long as the corresponding MIDI note is played. Ping sends out a short decaying control voltage to your drum modules.

cids wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:45 pm

CV Triggers
The CV Triggers device sends trigger control to your drum modules.

You can choose the MIDI note you want to use to trigger the module, and select the output to use for the control voltage.

There are 3 types of triggers; Gate, Trig, and Ping. Trig is a quick blip of control voltage to simply trigger a sound from your Eurorack. Gate will be open as long as the corresponding MIDI note is played. Ping sends out a short decaying control voltage to your drum modules.

This is not the use case for me. It can't be used to ping fx.

I am using external stereo fx and a couple of hardware synths (not drum modules or eurorack), with external fx/instrument device presets for each hardware item. I just want to ping from inside the external fx/instrument device, and not use a superflous/unsuitable device.

Why is this not already implemented where it is needed the most - in the native external fx devices?

dna598 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:00 pm

I just want to ping from inside the external fx/instrument device, and not use a superflous/unsuitable device.

External Audio Effect simply doesn't offer this feature. So you can either:
- use CV Triggers,
- or use an audio clip. You first record a ping from CV Triggers, and then send this signal via External Audio Effect.

[jur] wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:06 pm

External Audio Effect simply doesn't offer this feature.

yeah i know. It's baffling. and isnt forthcoming by the looks of it.

[jur] wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:06 pm

So you can either:
- use CV Triggers,
- or use an audio clip. You first record a ping from CV Triggers, and then send this signal via External Audio Effect.

Quicker to use another DAW entirely, if just to get the round trip figures.

Those 2 solutions are easy and quick, and when such easy solutions exist there's no much need for implementing yet another solution right into e.g the External Audio Effect.
And if External Audio Effect had a ping feature, how who you trigger it anyway? With audio or an automation, or by clicking a button maybe; and I don't see how quicker/easier it would be than triggering an audio clip that contains a ping.

[jur] wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:29 pm

Those 2 solutions are easy and quick, and when such easy solutions exist there's no much need for implementing yet another solution right into e.g the External Audio Effect.
And if External Audio Effect had a ping feature, how who you trigger it anyway? With audio or an automation, or by clicking a button maybe; and I don't see how quicker/easier it would be than triggering an audio clip that contains a ping.

Perhaps try and look at it from this perspective. And it's not exactly out of the ordinary.
One is mixing a large project with lots of external fx connected to outboard.
That person wants to get those External fx in sync for parallel processing.
Does the user want to go about fiddling with extra devices on extra tracks, using midi?
Does the user want to go about recording audio and taking measurements?
For each and every external effect, at each and every buffer size?
Or does the user want to (you said it) press a button and have it compensated in less than a second?

dna598 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:38 am

Or does the user want to (you said it) press a button and have it compensated in less than a second?

I suppose that's the solution you'd prefer. Then, the method using a ping sample is perfect and exactly that.
But did you even try or consider it?
Since you're talking about a large mixing project, you've already spend a lot of time preparing stuff, right?
What I'm talking about is generating a single ping once in your life, and then save it in your user library.
Then in your enormous mixing project you add an audio track, create a rack with parallel chains containing an External Audio Effect instance in each chain individually going to each piece of hardware (not receiving the audio back); you drag'n'drop your ping sample on this track... and when you need to ping you simply press the clip's button.
But better, you can even:
- save this "ping track" in your user library, that way you won't need to set this up ever again in the future, you'd just have to drag it in any enormous mixing project and it'd be ready to go
- you don't even need to click the clip's button or any button to ping everything, you simply use and duplicate and place the sample (i.e clip) anywhere in your timeline to it pings automatically in your set, as many times as you want.
To me that actually sounds better than clicking a button on several devices each time... but it's up to you, I'm out

Could please eleborate on your technique?

How do i measure the Delay?

Where do i need to input this number, so i can record external fx in sync?