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Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:08 pm
by oboulys
Hey.
Cant find granulator 3 in the beta of push3.
Will it be available on live-12 launchdate, and will it be mapped + waveforms on the display, + able to load samples like simpler?
That would be really nice and groovy.
And if not, that would suck extremely hard
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:20 pm
by Tarekith
For discussions about the beta, you'll probably get more replies on the Centercode forums.
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:26 pm
by oboulys
Oh sorry. Thanks.
But its still a question about if granulator3 will be implemented in push3 when live 12 is released proper
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:57 pm
by dcjams
My guess would be yes G3 will run on P3SA but I’m not convinced you’ll be able to load your own samples.
That’s the current status of G2. Running G3 is probably already within P3SA’s ability but the load samples thing seems like a more system wide change that might be some iterations away.
But that’s just a guess!
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:28 pm
by AlexDLarge
Thanks to the info provided by @btrrrrnnnnn I've managed to access the file structure on the P3. By doing this, I've tested the first draft of a Granulator 3 modification in which is possible to load and swap to any sample file stored in the sample directory on the Push3 SA without a computer. Now I need to create a live.menu in MAX with the addresses to all my subfolders, and rename the files inside each subfolders in order to be able to see the name of the file and the subfolder in the P3 screen. Seems complicated but in fact it's pretty easy.
I don't know the best way to share all of this as the G3 is not a free device, so I don't want to make public something that is not. Probably what I can do is to create an external M4L device in which anyone can edit their own file structure and the tips to do the mods in the G3 M4L device ...
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:26 pm
by [jur]
AlexDLarge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:28 pm
I don't know the best way to share all of this as the G3 is not a free device
GIII is free. But maybe you could ask Robert Henke
directly?
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:58 am
by AlexDLarge
Oh, yes, I didn't realize that to be able to use the M4L devices you need to have the full version of Ableton, and with that version the G3 is free ... So as soon as I have the patch ready I'll post it here.
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:25 pm
by btrrrrnnnnn
AlexDLarge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:28 pm
Thanks to the info provided by @btrrrrnnnnn I've managed to access the file structure on the P3. By doing this, I've tested the first draft of a Granulator 3 modification in which is possible to load and swap to any sample file stored in the sample directory on the Push3 SA without a computer. Now I need to create a live.menu in MAX with the addresses to all my subfolders, and rename the files inside each subfolders in order to be able to see the name of the file and the subfolder in the P3 screen. Seems complicated but in fact it's pretty easy.
I don't know the best way to share all of this as the G3 is not a free device, so I don't want to make public something that is not. Probably what I can do is to create an external M4L device in which anyone can edit their own file structure and the tips to do the mods in the G3 M4L device ...
I'm really really looking forward to seeing the finished version of this!
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:50 pm
by AlexDLarge
Here we go ... Here’s the Granulator III mod to allow users to load their own samples from the P3 Sa without connecting it to the computer.
https://maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=10311
You have to create a folder called “Folders” inside the Sample folder on the P3. There you can add different folders all with your WAV or MP3 files inside of them, but the root as you see it in Ableton should be "Push/User Library/Samples/Folders/ … (your sample folders).
No subfolders allowed at the moment (you can have subfolders but the device won’t read them). If the number of folders and samples don’t show up correctly when loading the device, trigger the “Reload” dial on bank 2 to update the numbers.
All controls on Bank 2. Thanks to Robert Henke for this wonderful device.
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:04 pm
by secretkillerofnames
That's really cool and seems to work well.
I assume representing the folders and files between 1-127 is a necessary work around?
I also assume the "random" control only selects from the first 127 files?
Imagine you would need to return the number of files in a folder and have that set as the upper limit to randomise from a larger directory.
Still this opens up a lot of possibility!
Thanks!
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:12 pm
by AlexDLarge
The random values are actually limited by the number of folders and files, so if you increase the number of samples the random number will give you a number between 1 and the total samples.
I've tried to represent the name of the folder and sample loaded but I'm having a lot of problems with dynamic names and M4L on the Push3. I used to have a version where the name of the folder is updated in the bank 1 name, but it's giving me a lot of headaches ... I will try to find a solution for this.
The 127 limit is taken from the dial max value, but I can increase that. I will update this.
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:32 pm
by secretkillerofnames
The random values are actually limited by the number of folders and files, so if you increase the number of samples the random number will give you a number between 1 and the total samples.
OK great. I have two folders with over 1000 random bits of foley and field recordings that work really well just being randomised.
I did find a bug. When you change the Granular mode (Original/Looping/Cloud) the second page gets additional dials from the first page and the reload dial goes away.
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:09 pm
by AlexDLarge
Oh, I don’t have my computer with me now but I know why this is happening. I’ll correct that bug
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:29 pm
by AlexDLarge
secretkillerofnames wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:32 pm
I did find a bug. When you change the Granular mode (Original/Looping/Cloud) the second page gets additional dials from the first page and the reload dial goes away.
Bug corrected now!
Re: Granulator 3 on push 3 standalone
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:25 am
by secretkillerofnames
Bug corrected now!
Great - can confirm it's working fine.