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I notice that Live 12 does not have the Master tack; instead it has the Main track. Does the Main track function exactly the same as the Master track used to? Specifically, if the Main track is rendered, does the render include the Main tracks effects?

Exact same thing, it's just a name change.

But why??

There’s a push in the software/music industry to remove references to master and slave relationships, Ableton is just doing what many music and software companies are doing.

[jur] wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:55 pm

Please don't go into "political" mode,

Ableton brings politics into Live. At least they are attempting to be politically correct by renaming packs, presets, samples, and the master track. Yet discussing these changes is not allowed?

Com'on Rivanni.

[erm] wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:08 pm

There’s a push in the software/music industry to remove references to master and slave relationships, Ableton is just doing what many music and software companies are doing.

With all due respect I am highly convinced that if moderators would like to master their role - and beyond that the company as a whole - giving factual context instead of generalized wordings will serve the matter most.

Interested readers can find information on what „politics” means here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics

With that perspective - yes - we are talking politics. The more important background information on why the wording change is taking place can be found here:

- regarding the audio industry

--> https://musictech.com/news/industry/pam ... rminology/
--> https://www.clynemedia.com/PAMA/Inclusi ... ative.html

- a broader background

--> https://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech ... term.reut/

It appears that the discussion of the matter dates back more than 20 years now. Maybe a blog-entry on the ableton webpage would be an appropriate location for explaining the effort taking place.

Thanks for listening

Thx Nicobi for those links
Your post is a good occasion to lock this topic that can't go anywhere anyway.