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Push 3 questions..

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:43 am
by turi
I've just bought a Push 3 and can't wait to get it - got a couple of questions though.

Can I set the tempo of a project via audio ie my guitar loop?
iow can I make the Push 3 work similar to how I can set the tempo with my own loop with the Looper device (NOT the same as session view looping).

Is there a way to "clear all clips" on the Push 3?

I ask the above because along with use as a midi controller etc for use with Ableton Live, I want to use it live at bar/pub gigs.
But I have no interest in setting the tempo in advance for every single song of a 4hr set, and I don't want any pre-made beats or loops either.

I want to do everything live, in person, on stage, just like I would with any other looper and those two things are critical.

- set tempo via my first audio loop (guitar most likely)?
- clear all clips in session view?

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:34 am
by panten
Setting Tempo with Looper
The Looper device only seems to set the tempo if you have Live's playback set to STOP (so you would need to stop playback between your songs).

Otherwise it will take on the tempo that the live set is currently play at.
Just set the Tempo Control on the Looper device to Set & Follow Song Tempo.

If you do want to Segue between your songs and they are at different tempos then you can adjust the tempo easily on the Push3.

Playing along with Live click
I personally prefer to play along with Live's click metronome when playing live and you can set the Cue Out to 3/4 (Headphones) so only you hear the click.
If using this method make sure to set the Preview/Cue Volume to Cue instead of Solo. Then you'll need to turn on the Solo button for each track that you use to send the audio to the headphone out.

With Live there are many ways to tailor it to your liking.

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 3:42 am
by turi
panten wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:34 am
Setting Tempo with Looper
The Looper device only seems to set the tempo if you have Live's playback set to STOP (so you would need to stop playback between your songs).

Otherwise it will take on the tempo that the live set is currently play at.
Just set the Tempo Control on the Looper device to Set & Follow Song Tempo.

If you do want to Segue between your songs and they are at different tempos then you can adjust the tempo easily on the Push3.

Playing along with Live click
I personally prefer to play along with Live's click metronome when playing live and you can set the Cue Out to 3/4 (Headphones) so only you hear the click.
If using this method make sure to set the Preview/Cue Volume to Cue instead of Solo. Then you'll need to turn on the Solo button for each track that you use to send the audio to the headphone out.

With Live there are many ways to tailor it to your liking.

Thanks for the response!

My Push 3 has arrived and it's glorious. Only the controller version, not standalone.

I've been able to set the tempo with an audio loop with the Looper device, it would have been cool if it could also be done without the Looper device though, in session view - because using the Looper means it doesn't get recorded into a clip that I can launch or whatever with the pads.


When you play along to the metronome live - are you playing bar/pub gigs?
Just feels a bit sketchy to try that at the sort of gig I play, I'm sure people wouldn't really mind.. maybe some clear in-ears that let me still hear the audience would be a decent way to move forwards with this.. although the problem disappears if Live would let me set the tempo via my playing when recording straight into a session view clip.


What about deleting all clips?

ATM, I have to delete them one by one because if I hold shift and hit delete, it deletes the whole row completely. As in, removes it from the project, doesn't only delete the clips that were there... actually eliminates the entire row.

It doesn't take me long to delete all clips one by one at the moment because typically I'm only recording a couple of different loops but thinking long-term, I know I'll be wanting to take advantage of what Live + Push has to offer, and that'll be more than just 1-4~ loops per song.


I've got another question too - is there a way to use the Push 3 as an audio interface, where I can actually adjust volumes etc without needing to be running Live?

I understand this isn't possible on the controller version, there's no software in the Push to do it - but I'm hopeful standalone would let me do this, so I could use it as an interface when I'm playing games or just listening to music and not have to swap interfaces.

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:59 pm
by panten
Just out of interest, what style of music is it you're playing live?

Apologies, I originally understood that you wanted to use looper to capture and layer up your guitar. The great thing about Looper is that you can overdub, which you can't do with clips in the session view.

I experimented with using the Follow function for a while but I found that it's not consistent enough to use live really. I think your best bet would be to invest in a foot pedal that you can use to tap in your tempo or just use the tap tempo on the Push then just get yourself some in-ear monitors and hook them up to your Phones. That way if you can have your Main Out go to your audience speakers and only you can hear the click track.

If you watch someone like Ari@home he is doing just that. Click coming through only his headphones and the music only coming through his speakers.
Once you have your groove going just turn off the click.

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:23 pm
by panten
This is my current setup

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So I end up with 2 decks that are a mirror of each other.
DeckA = Drums -- Synth -- AudioClips -- Looper
DeckB = Looper -- AudioClips -- Synth -- Drums

I'll generally keep to a set tempo and adjust it as I go.. masking any large tempo changes by washes of ambient sounds.

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:32 pm
by turi
panten wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:59 pm
Just out of interest, what style of music is it you're playing live?

Apologies, I originally understood that you wanted to use looper to capture and layer up your guitar. The great thing about Looper is that you can overdub, which you can't do with clips in the session view.

I experimented with using the Follow function for a while but I found that it's not consistent enough to use live really. I think your best bet would be to invest in a foot pedal that you can use to tap in your tempo or just use the tap tempo on the Push then just get yourself some in-ear monitors and hook them up to your Phones. That way if you can have your Main Out go to your audience speakers and only you can hear the click track.

If you watch someone like Ari@home he is doing just that. Click coming through only his headphones and the music only coming through his speakers.
Once you have your groove going just turn off the click.

I play all sorts of music but it's in pubs/bars, everything live, no pre-made loops, no backing tracks, everything I do is looped on the spot.. mostly rock/pop etc, I'm a full-time musician, mostly covers gigs are my primary source of income.

I've found a few workarounds, nothing exactly the way I want things to work, but it's possible to lay down multiple guitar tracks one after another by having a track set up to receive my guitar input, and have that always monitored - then send the audio from that track to other tracks that have monitoring off, and those other tracks are what I actually "arm" and record onto.

That gets them into session view clips - it's not the same as overdubbing, but it does let me quickly have a slew of different guitar tracks if I want, that will record what I'm putting into them, which means I can have all guitar fx etc on that same original "input" channel that the others are receiving from.


I don't think I'll bother with a foot pedal for tap tempo, unless it's part of a larger/more capable midi controller like the Nektar Pacer.. because changing the tempo on the Push itself is simple af and it's only relevant if I was to use headphones and have a click anyway.

Which I might consider, looping to a metronome is more fun for me, I'm just a bit iffy on doing it on stage with headphones in.

Irrelevant but I've also worked out a way to use sustain pedals as kick/snare triggers, I just set them up through a MIDI controller - I can't send note CC via the controller, and it sucks that I couldn't just MIDI map the kick and snare "play" buttons in drum rack but there's a simple workaround which was just having the sounds I wanted recorded as their own clips on their own tracks, make them one-shots so they don't loop and turn globatlisation off, then map the play button for those clips to the sustain pedals.

Works a treat and allows me to play guitar and have some simple kick and snare action going with my feet - little things like this help spice it up imo as I'm not forced to do things the same way every time. Free to loop if I want, or do it all manually etc.

So far the Push has been a total blast and is crazy powerful, I'm sure I'll grow into taking advantage of what's possible - eventually I think I'd like to not really be doing all loops etc live on stage, but more of a hybrid thing where I'm using some pre-made tracks and can still loop my own drums/keys/guitar if I want, and have it so after dinner-time sets, I can change things up to be less singer-songwriter and more full-band or DJ-ish, but with me still singing and playing guitar/keys/drums.

The Push seems like it opens up every door, I can do things however I want, including looping without a metronome/click just like a normal BOSS looper etc (via using the Looper device on some tracks). Can use it just for FX and be pure acoustic guitar + vocals without any gimmicky stuff if I want. Can launch pre-made beats to start songs off and loop to them. Can just do whole songs with pre-made loops and bring things in/out as I want. Can just record entire backing tracks for songs and literally just let that play for those songs if I want to be super lazy. Can play guitar + have kick/snare with my feet if I want.

It's pretty nuts how many doors this has opened up for me.

Your setup looks awesome btw.

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:43 am
by panten
Sounds like you're going to have a total blast building and experimenting with a setup that suits you. That's the awesome thing about Ableton Live.

One thing though that I find disappointing is that they haven't updated the Looper device for a long time and it has it's limitations. Also you need to use a 3rd party max4live device called Looper Control in order to see the status of your multiple loopers at the same time.
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/7 ... and-window

There are many ways to perform live and you can go with a completely blank canvas like you mentioned or you can have an arrangement that allows you to play your instruments in live so there's more of a structure. Similar to how Bink Beats and Elise Trouw do it.
BINKBEATS Beats Unraveled #4: Lost & Found by Amon Tobin

Check out the new performance devices included with Live 12 now
New in Ableton Live 12: Performance Pack by Iftah - Game Changers

Good Luck

Re: Push 3 questions..

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:01 am
by panten
Oh, something that I'm currently loving on the Push3 is the ability to hop between 'Variations'
Check out this video for an explanation

I use this feature a lot and if you create your first Variation as a clean default setting for your macros you can tweak and experiment with your sound live then jump back to the default 'dry' sound quickly by hitting your default variation.

I have my default variation mapped to a button push on my MIDI Fighter Twister, but you can map it to anything you want.