New Korg multi/poly is unusable, please fix VST3 nightmare ASAP

[Roberto_Tafuro]

Hello and sorry for my bad english. As the title says, the new Korg synth Is unusable.
Switching presets takes forever, a lot much of MicroKorg. This is really frustrating. This things costs 150 euros and there is nothing worst to buy something and not been able to use it.
Avenger 2 VST3 is a nightmare, but they have VST2.
Korg synth are only VST3, and they are unusable.
GForce VST3 are unusable.
Acustica Audio TH8 and TH5 are a nightmare and they doesn't have VST2.
At this moment i'm using VST2, but there are brands that doesn't have VST3 and the future Is in this direction.
It is a well known issue, at Korg tell me that, so i think that Is time to solve it.
Thank you

[[jur]]

Which Live version are you using?
Did you reach out to those plugins developers?

[doghouse]

There’s no excuse for plugin developers or DAWs to have VST3 issues at this point. It’s been almost 20 years since it was introduced, for pete’s sake.

[Roberto_Tafuro]

Which Live version are you using?
Did you reach out to those plugins developers?

Hi Jur, this is a well-known issue. It depends on both sides: Ableton and VST developers.
In the Korg specs, you'll find a note mentioning that it's a known issue. The guys at Vengeance are very familiar with it, but they have the VST2 version, which works great.
You can find other threads on this forum, some of which date back to 2021.

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Really, really bad...

There’s no excuse for plugin developers or DAWs to have VST3 issues at this point. It’s been almost 20 years since it was introduced, for pete’s sake.

Absolutely. This thing is sick. The only way i have found to use them, is via Komplete Kontrol.

[[jur]]

Oh, this is about Program Changes.
Yeah, difficult topic...

[mortslaw]

Thanks to a user on Gearspace, I have a workaround that actually works. I'm on Windows 11 with Ableton 12.1.10. Before doing this it would take 2-3 minutes to change a patch using the multipoly native demo with my Push 3 connected and 8 minutes to change a patch with my Melbourne Instruments Roto-Control connected.

You can map up to 128 device parameters for a plugin and by default none are mapped. Click the triangle button the device title bar for Korg multipoly and then click the Configure button to start mapping device parameters. The multipoly has more than 128 controls that can be mapped so you just need to make sure you map your favorites and any others you need to get 128. Then right click the device title bar and select "Save As Default Configuration." Now I can flip through presets much more quickly, usually takes a second or less per preset on a PC that is over 4 years old.

[doghouse]

Do you really need to map 128 controls, 8 (which is what most MIDI controllers default to) isn’t enough? That’s some weird coding in that plugin.

[mortslaw]

You just need to add them to the device view in Ableton, you do not have to map all of those to your midi controller. I would argue this is still Ableton’s issue. I’ve noticed other plugins that I don’t have this problem with tend to have device parameters already populated in Ableton when you first load them up.

[critter0107]

Hey thanks for that tip. Just tried it with Spire VST3 and it works like a charm. Prior to this presets were taking about 8 seconds to load.

[simplemusic]

Great tip - thanks.

A quick way to map 128 controls, is just click Configure, then change patch in the VST, and it will automap 128 for you. You can then update as you find any that might be missing.

[[tca]]

Hey folks,

I'm one of the product Owners in the Live team. We are aware of this issue and have been working on it and should have a fix coming soon. In order to test whether our fix would actually solve the problem for you could you please let me know what operating system you are using and your hardware specs so that we can try to test with similar configurations?

Thanks,

Toby

[my_fun]

Not multi/poly but same for Gforce plugins Imposcar 3 and Bass Station (latest versions)

Mac M1 Pro
Memory 16 GB
MacOs Sequoia vers 15.3.2
Live Suite 12.1.11

VST 3 and VST AU versions of Gforce plugins either sluggish for program changes or crash 12.1.11 but latest beta
VST 2 seems to work ok