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CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:20 pm
by chapelier fou
I've made a suggestion and a bug report, but I find it weird that you can't send all MIDI CCs when the live set loads.
That should be an option. (right+click on device header ?).
Meanwhile, since "send" is not automatable and not reachable via M4L, there no workarounds.
Also, it's inconsistent with the fact that when you drop it into a track, it does output its values....
Finally, there is a bug with M4L that prevents it to return the params when getting "get parameters" message.

Am I missing something ?

Re: CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:29 pm
by [jur]
There's many situations in which one wouldn't want the midi to be sent automatically on set load, but there's many others where it'd be desirable so, yes, it needs this option.
An yes its inconsistent with the device loading behaviour.
I'm not aware of any workaround; your SUGG and bug report are all that can be done atm I suppose.

Re: CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2026 1:09 pm
by Mattijs
> Finally, there is a bug with M4L that prevents it to return the params when getting "get parameters" message.

That's interesting, happy to see if I can reproduce. Would you be able to attach an example device / patch with steps to reproduce?

Re: CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2026 1:14 pm
by kleine
chapelier fou wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:20 pm
 I've made a suggestion and a bug report, but I find it weird that you can't send all MIDI CCs when the live set loads.
That should be an option. (right+click on device header ?).
Meanwhile, since "send" is not automatable and not reachable via M4L, there no workarounds.
Also, it's inconsistent with the fact that when you drop it into a track, it does output its values....
Finally, there is a bug with M4L that prevents it to return the params when getting "get parameters" message.

Am I missing something ?
It's not desirable to have that automatically but I agree that eventually exposing the button to the M4L api would enable idiosyncratic wishes and workarounds...

Re: CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2026 3:00 pm
by chapelier fou
Mattijs wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 09, 2026 1:09 pm
 > Finally, there is a bug with M4L that prevents it to return the params when getting "get parameters" message.

That's interesting, happy to see if I can reproduce. Would you be able to attach an example device / patch with steps to reproduce?
Here it is (but already reported). Place this before a CC control device.
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It's not desirable to have that automatically but I agree that eventually exposing the button to the M4L api would enable idiosyncratic wishes and workarounds...
It should be automatable.

Re: CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2026 3:49 pm
by Rivanni
Mattijs wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 09, 2026 1:09 pm
 > Finally, there is a bug with M4L that prevents it to return the params when getting "get parameters" message.

That's interesting, happy to see if I can reproduce. Would you be able to attach an example device / patch with steps to reproduce?
A similar thing happened when Shifter was introduced.
The CcControlDevice object has no properties and functions at all.
While 'get parameters' for the device is not working, the parameter properties can be accessed using selected_parameter.
see ticket #3107843.

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Re: CC control issues : no way to "send" the values on set load

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2026 9:21 am
by Mattijs
Thanks for the details Rivanni and Chaplier!

I checked and can confirm that this is tracked in our issue tracker.
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